rocmoc
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Thanks Lee. Day 10 and I actually feel better/good. If Possible get your shot!
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qtla9111
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karead wrote:Have never had a flu shot, and won't be getting one anytime soon. I had a shot of whiskey instead.
Apparently there is some doubt as to the safety of the flu vaccine in the U.S. for lack of proper testing Lawsuit Seeks To Halt US Swine Flu Vaccination Campaign.
Also, those with any type of allergic reaction to eggs are being asked not to accept the vaccine.
I like the shot of whiskey myself. Doctoring a head cold now, Vick vapor rub, bed rest and a toddy before bed seems to keep it at bay until it passes on its own.
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mtlogger
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It's because of the Thimerosal and Squalene contained in the vaccine. This vaccine was dropped in the 1970's after more people got sick from it than the flu itself. I know because my whole family got the vaccines and within three weeks was in the hospital - not by choice. I will not take this or any other vaccine, nor will anyone in my family or extended families.
Squalene Update as of October 2009:
According to Barbara Loe Fisher, founder of the NVIC, none of the H1N1 vaccines being distributed in the United States contain squalene or other oil in water adjuvants.
We successfully made enough fuss about the potential danger of fast tracking licensure of squalene adjuvants into US H1N1 vaccines under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that can be invoked during a declared public health emergency that the FDA has NOT licensed these adjuvants for the U.S.
Adjuvants are added to vaccines to make them more “effective” and to reduce the amount of vaccine required per dose. They do this by causing your immune system to react in a powerful, unnatural and potentially dangerous way to the presence of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.
Squalene is proving to be among the worst of the worst in terms of immune adjuvants.
We know at least two of the swine flu vaccines under development by drug companies will contain the oil-based adjuvant squalene. Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline are producing those vaccines, and it’s probably just the tip of the iceberg because:
In a July 13 WHO swine flu pandemic briefing note in which they list their latest recommendations on vaccines, they state:
“In view of the anticipated limited vaccine availability at global level and the potential need to protect against "drifted" strains of virus, SAGE recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines was important.”
Also on July 13, HHS Secretary Sebelius committed another $884 million -- in addition to the $1 billion committed in May -- to purchase two key ingredients of the H1N1 vaccines under development. The key ingredients are:
The antigen (the active ingredient or organism)
The adjuvant Novartis, whose vaccine contains the squalene adjuvant MF59, will receive $690 million of the $884 million.
The handwriting is on the wall -- H1N1 vaccines will almost certainly contain the squalene adjuvant. Sebelius hedges her bets with the following statement:
“Depending on the results of clinical studies, adjuvant could be added to a vaccine to boost the immune system’s response and potentially reduce the amount of antigen necessary for the body to recognize and fight a virus.”
Depending on the results of clinical studies? Are those the same studies that will somehow be completed in record time and inexplicably deliver results pronouncing swine flu vaccines “safe and effective?”
Your skepticism is warranted and may keep you and your family safe.
Dr. Peter Holden, the British Medical Association’s lead negotiator on swine flu, is of the opinion that although swine flu is not causing serious illness in patients, U.K. health officials are eager to start a mass vaccination campaign, beginning with “priority groups.” Holden says the vaccinations will reduce the chances of a shortage of hospital beds because of people suffering from swine flu.
Whether you believe the U.S. government is simply naïve or quite deliberate in their ongoing swine flu pandemic propaganda campaign, it is imperative you arm yourself with the facts about the H1N1 virus, vaccinations, and what you can do to protect yourself and your family.
Don’t assume because the government is promoting swine flu vaccines, they must be safe. Many vaccines with the FDA’s stamp of approval have proved to be dangerously high risk.
* The anthrax vaccine, mandated for U.S. military personnel, is not safe.
* Thimerosal, a commonly used mercury-based vaccine preservative, is not safe.
* The HPV vaccine (Gardasil), a disturbing example of how effective marketing can create a non-existent “need” for a product that is clearly unsafe.
* The last swine flu vaccine, from the 1976 “pandemic,” was unsafe. The pandemic never materialized, and more people died from the vaccine than from the swine flu.
The FDA in its role as guardian of my family’s health is questionable. If you think it's safe, why has Pres. Obama not had his children vaccinated?
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mtlogger
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As Der Spiegel Online reported earlier this month, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and government ministers received a mercury and squalene-free H1N1 vaccine. “The Vakzin does not contain disputed additives — contrary to the vaccine for the remainder of the population,” reported the newspaper. Soldiers in the German army were also given the adjuvant-free vaccine.
Thimerosal(mercury) should NEVER be given to pregnant mothers or children. We know the effects of mercury poisoning - we called it mad-hatters disease. In Japan, copious amounts were dumped in the oyster beds - called Minamata disease; in Canada - Reed Paper Co dumped similar amounts into the Wabigoon River system poisoning hundreds of miles of the English River - injuring hundreds of first nation members - and passing it on to their children. It has horrifying results in high dosages.
Thankfully the dosage of Thimerosal is 50mcg - which is the max allowable. But double and triple dosing leads to problems.
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Jagtech
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From what I've been told, those few of us that are over 60 have a degree of immunity to H1N1, as there was a H1-type flu that went around when we were young. That exposure gave us some limited immunity, putting us in a lower-risk category.
I'm still not convinced the vaccine is totally safe, anyhow. JMHO
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iguana07
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I read the main reason there is a shortage is that there isn't enough vaccine made. It takes weeks for to be made with eggs. They have developed another quick method but the US will not approve until tested. It is being sent to Australia for human test trials. Meanwhile everyone waits until the vaccine is ready.
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moisheh
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mtlogger:
Ther is more mercury in a can of tuna than in on dose of the vaccine!!
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azishot wrote:With everything you have said, might I suggest you visit Tucson or El Paso instead. There have been 7k deaths reported in Mexico from the H1N1.
Yeah, right. Which source reports that???
The WHO, who should know, reports 814 deaths WORLDWIDE!
Let's not spread rumors, please. This whole issue is way overblown by the media.
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moisheh wrote:mtlogger: Ther is more mercury in a can of tuna than in on dose of the vaccine!!Moisheh
That's not exactly true. It depends on the age of the fish and which species of tuna. The allowable dosage is 50mcg per year. The vaccine has 50. The alternate vaccine has only 5! That's the one the German Army and their Chancellor took.
http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Produ........Contaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115644.htm
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Ozimo
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barry&vanda wrote:azishot wrote:With everything you have said, might I suggest you visit Tucson or El Paso instead. There have been 7k deaths reported in Mexico from the H1N1.
Yeah, right. Which source reports that???
The WHO, who should know, reports 814 deaths WORLDWIDE!
Let's not spread rumors, please. This whole issue is way overblown by the media.
http://www.idemc.org/ the numbers running across the bottom of the screen are from June 09. WHO's figures are way off. If you click on Mexico and go to details here's what you will find:
"Date: 29.10.2009 07:20:18
A total of 328 people, out of 50,234 infected, had died of the A/H1N1 virus in Mexico, the nation's Health Ministry said in a statement Wednesday. According to the statement, from October to present, 17,284 newly confirmed cases and 92 deaths had been reported. The Southern state of Chiapas, the Eastern state of Yucatan and the Northern state of Nuevo Leon were the most infected regions with 70 percent of total infections. Among those infected, 70 percent were between 40 and 54 years of age, the report said. One million doses of anti-flu vaccines from the French medical firm Sanofi would be delivered to Mexico in November, and the health staff would be the first group to receive the vaccines, the statement added."
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