boiledcrabs
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In stead of swapping off your truck why not just swap out the bed for a hualer bed or a flat bed and add a couple more rear tires to make it a dually?
Oh wait, I see in your sig you have a 2500. I thought you asked about a 3500 SRW.
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Softballdad
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I might be off here, but adding leaf springs and modifying the rear wheels doesn't change the fact he will be over weight for a 2500 or 3500 srw. Also, think about stopping with the extra weight. If it was me I would get the new truck.
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nemo45
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MadMav wrote:nemo45 wrote:This difference can be made up for by going to 10 ply tires on the SRW.
SRW 3500s and most 2500s have E rated 10 ply's already.
Mav
Not so! My Michelins which are E rated are 7 ply and exactly the same as the original tires. They may be 10 ply rated but are still only 7 ply. There are 10 ply tires available out there that would increase the payload enough to be equal to the duallys, since the only difference in the trucks is the amount of weight the extra tires can carry.
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nemo45
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JIMNLIN wrote:The rear hyd brake pistons are a larger diameter in the DRW truck. Brakes are matched to a trucks GAWR's. The DRW truck has a 9750 this year vs a 6750 for a SRW truck. The SRW is closer to a 2500 truck specs than the DRW truck.
I know for a fact that from late 2004 to early 2007 when you could still get a 5.9 cummins that the brakes are exactly the same. So are the springs and the drive train on the DRW and SRW. There is plenty of documentation to that effect on this forum. The parts are interchangable. What does 9750 and 6750 mean? 9750 and 6750 what?
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tabraha
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The difference is not the brakes or drive train but what the rear axle is rated in the Dodge 1 ton SRW vs DRW. The DRW Dodge gets the bigger rated axle than the SRW 3500 (and definitely bigger than the OP's 2500 with upgraded springs) does not have. A 3500 Ram new off the lot has rear GAWR of 6200 and 9350 for the SRW vs DRW respectively. This is what jimnlin is referring to with those #'s.
Dodge's pickup builder pdf is pretty trick:
http://www.dodge.com/bodybuilder/2009/docs/dr/mlupseries.pdf
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nemo45 wrote:MadMav wrote:nemo45 wrote:This difference can be made up for by going to 10 ply tires on the SRW.
SRW 3500s and most 2500s have E rated 10 ply's already.
Mav
Not so! My Michelins which are E rated are 7 ply and exactly the same as the original tires. They may be 10 ply rated but are still only 7 ply. There are 10 ply tires available out there that would increase the payload enough to be equal to the duallys, since the only difference in the trucks is the amount of weight the extra tires can carry.
Hence the reason I said "most". But what truck and what Michelins? My wife's Dodge 1500 has Michelins stock...and they are E rated 10 plys. 
Edit...wait a minute. I'm sure that standard E rated tires are all 10 ply. Hence the whole rating system.
Look here.....E rating means 10 ply.
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tabraha wrote:The difference is not the brakes or drive train but what the rear axle is rated in the Dodge 1 ton SRW vs DRW. The DRW Dodge gets the bigger rated axle than the SRW 3500 (and definitely bigger than the OP's 2500 with upgraded springs) does not have.
Just a point of clarification - since 2004, all Dodge 2500/3500/3500DRW have the same rear axle (AAM 11.5"). The ratings come from the tires and spring differences. The dually axle is a little wider than the SRW axles, too, to allow for proper tire clearance in the rear.
That said, Our trailer maxes out at a hair under 14K and we are pushing the limits on our truck (12k GVWR). Last big trip we took, we were at about 11,800 on the truck and 22,800 combined (which is over the 21,000 GCWR for my year/model truck.
Rear axle is well within specs.
We ran 4626 miles on this trip including much in the mountains, and I wouldn't have wanted to do this without my dually. My previous truck was an F350 SRW pulling a HH tavel trailer. I wouldn't have pulled my current trailer with that truck.
But that's just me.
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JIMNLIN
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nemo45 wrote:JIMNLIN wrote:The rear hyd brake pistons are a larger diameter in the DRW truck. Brakes are matched to a trucks GAWR's. The DRW truck has a 9750 this year vs a 6750 for a SRW truck. The SRW is closer to a 2500 truck specs than the DRW truck.
I know for a fact that from late 2004 to early 2007 when you could still get a 5.9 cummins that the brakes are exactly the same. So are the springs and the drive train on the DRW and SRW. There is plenty of documentation to that effect on this forum. The parts are interchangable. What does 9750 and 6750 mean? 9750 and 6750 what?
9750 RAWR vs 6500 RAWR. Big difference and is why the 3500 DRW that has 3250 lb more payload capacity has different part numbers for the rear brakes systems.
As Mav says all load range E tires are a 10 ply rated tire. Michelin LT LTX tires do not have 7 plies. Michelin LT tires as other brands are a two ply carcass with two steel tread belts. Every tire has those numbers on the sidewall.
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NC Hauler wrote:
or it's like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear...
That may well be, and the OP would have to decide if it's worth it.
$3,500 for a DRW kit or $20,000 to trade?
To trade trucks just to beef up the payload a thousand pounds don't make any more sense than trading for a better radio.
The first modified truck I ever saw was in high school. Two brothers had scabbed a second axel on a pickup! They were going to start a business moving furniture. Me and my friends would stand at the curb and laugh at them, and discuss wheather it was legal or even safe.
I can't believe that conversation is still going on 45 years later.
Those brothers are still modifying "stock" trucks to meet payload requirements. They're Larry and Robert Roberts. They own one of the largest trucking companies in the U.S. R&L Transfer.
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thecampingman wrote:NC Hauler wrote:
or it's like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear...
That may well be, and the OP would have to decide if it's worth it.
$3,500 for a DRW kit or $20,000 to trade?
To trade trucks just to beef up the payload a thousand pounds don't make any more sense than trading for a better radio.
The first modified truck I ever saw was in high school. Two brothers had scabbed a second axel on a pickup! They were going to start a business moving furniture. Me and my friends would stand at the curb and laugh at them, and discuss wheather it was legal or even safe.
I can't believe that conversation is still going on 45 years later.
Those brothers are still modifying "stock" trucks to meet payload requirements. They're Larry and Robert Roberts. They own one of the largest trucking companies in the U.S. R&L Transfer.
May as well believe the conversation is still going on 45 years later, Why wouldn't it be if your over your trucks towing limit? I don't understand the big deal when someone asks for an opinion and when one is given, some are really cut on and called the weight police because they give an educated opinion, or an opinion from actual experiences of towing overweight at one time or another. Hey, if the person wants to drive to "wherever" and spend only $3,000 to make his truck work..remember, he's already "made it into a 1 ton SRW from a 3/4 ton"..so we're to this point already...wonder what kind of a warrantee some of these people will put on the brakes, suspension, frame, etc. when they modify one of these trucks..I never heard of them, but that's ok, they've probably never heard of me either.
I'll "assume" they can change the sticker on the door jamb also if they're "that big" and make all this legal..actually, who cares about legal, they're just random numbers that the manufacturer put on these trucks that you can go by or not, just tossed out as a guideline and EVERYBODY tows over anyway..I mean, everyone else does it, so, hey, go for it..I'm not towing it, guess I really shouldn't care about someone elses welfare or safety....or mine and my families...the philosophy of the decade...if it feels good do it..and forget about responsibility...
I will remind some... The original poster has a 2500, GVWR 9200#, oh, it's now the same as a 3500SRW, GVWR of 9900#..He's going to tow a Mobile Suites with a GVW or 17,500#...As some have stated in here, this is more in the lines of MDT towing...go to a Mobile Suites site and see for yourself what most of these owners tow the heavier MS with. Pin weight alone is close to if not over 3400#..I don't know, seems like simple Math..I have a Dually and wouldn't buy one of these 5er's unless I had at least a 550 or 5500..That's why I don't own the Carriage I'd like to have...I KNOW FOR FACT I'd go over my RAWR with my dually..It's common sense and simple Math....
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