shadows4
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I work for Ford and am a UAW member. I can tell you at my plant the main problems people saw were 1. The no strike clause. 2. We had already given back to the company. 3. Executive pay.
Most people I talked to felt we had given up enough already. Time will tell.
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blt2ski wrote:Not sure how long this thread will go, but them union folks better look a bit north of me in Everett washington, if they want to see what happens if they do not negotiate to a point............Boeing moved the 787 line out of everett to S Caralina where they do not have to deal with a union, lower wages etc. While at least the line stays in the US, unlike some manufactures moving lines to other countries. This hurts me, as some of my customers are Boeing workers........
Either way, things right now are not good for either side you may be on! union or non union or management we are all screwed!
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Marty, I tried to present it so as not to start a for/against union thing so hope will continue to be discussed as has been so far.
The point I was trying to make was it seems the leadership of the union thought it out and tried to pass what they thought was a solution, BUT they failed to properly convey the info to members before the vote. And the lack of info let some on the floor (probably also without the whole understanding of offer) fire up the guys to vote it down without understanding it.
I really hope they can salvage something yet.
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Quote:Mulally could care less if the folks both hourly and salary on the factory floor have enough money to eat or have insurance.
Exaggerate much? Mulally knows damn well he is nothing without workers. No product no job. However, in this instance if there were no Mulally there may very well be no workers either. In a nutshell laborers are expendable pieces. I harbor no false ideas that my skillset is unique. What I do for a living can be taught and done with a few years of school. Running a multimillion dollar corporation is not even close to what a floor worker has to deal with daily. There is a reason people like Mulally get big money. They are playing a big game with high stakes. Wina nd you are a hero. Lose and you might not have another chance in that position. I do not agree that bonus's should be given out for failure, but some of what is part of his deal is not bonus based on success it is money spent to free him from Boeing and get him to work for Ford. I'd say he is earning his money right about now. FWIW I guess all the floor workers must get the same pay because if they would whine about someone making more than them like they do about managers above them making more money. Don't like your hourly wage? Do something about it. You might not become a millionaire but you will better yourself. It gets sickening hearing people whine about someone elses salary. Wear the other guys shoes for a bit. BTW my opinion does not extend to industries being bailed out with tax money. Failures should not be rewarded, especially on the tax payers dime.
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WTTCS
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This posts is hilarious.................TO ME.......................Being a business man who owns and runs and employees my workers, I have but one question for you???
"If he had that vision he could now be several billion dollars richer as it seems no one else saw it coming. I think it was just luck that Ford was running low on dollars before GM and Chrysler, forcing Ford to make the move to secure loans early.
I am a Ford retiree, have worked both sides of the fence, hourly and salary also a Ford stockholder. IMHO when Bill Ford finally knew he was in over his head and took on Mulally was the best move he ever made and will give him credit for that. Mulally is good, he proved that at Boeing. But had Ford gone bankrupt and Mulally's pay had been decreased he would have left. He in no way has the same stake in Ford that many of the hourly and lower salary workers have. Mulally could care less if the folks both hourly and salary on the factory floor have enough money to eat or have insurance. He also proved that at Boeing. "
Why does an employee think me or others as owners, OWE you anything , except a pay check?
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WTTCS wrote:This posts is hilarious.................TO ME.......................Being a business man who owns and runs and employees my workers, I have but one question for you???
"If he had that vision he could now be several billion dollars richer as it seems no one else saw it coming. I think it was just luck that Ford was running low on dollars before GM and Chrysler, forcing Ford to make the move to secure loans early.
I am a Ford retiree, have worked both sides of the fence, hourly and salary also a Ford stockholder. IMHO when Bill Ford finally knew he was in over his head and took on Mulally was the best move he ever made and will give him credit for that. Mulally is good, he proved that at Boeing. But had Ford gone bankrupt and Mulally's pay had been decreased he would have left. He in no way has the same stake in Ford that many of the hourly and lower salary workers have. Mulally could care less if the folks both hourly and salary on the factory floor have enough money to eat or have insurance. He also proved that at Boeing. "
Why does an employee think me or others as owners, OWE you anything , except a pay check?
I don't think any employer owes a worker anything but what the employee and the owner bargain for in payment for the worker doing his or her job. That being said the Ford hourly had a contract that they had willing opened twice already and made changes to lower their wages and benefits so as to help Ford. My question to you as a owner is what makes you think if you make a bad business decision and lose profits it is only the people on the factory floor that have to give up wages and benefits you agreeed on, yet you still demand the same salary and bonus without taking any cutback? All my years at Ford, the Ford Family, UAW and workers all had a special bond that many companies do not. I remember being on salary when the union workers were on strike one time. It came down from the Ford Family for the salary employees in the plant to break up pallets for firewood and take burning barrels out to the picket lines along with food for the strikers. Many owners, maybe even yourself would have said let them freeze. Ford and it's workers have had this bond for many years. The longer Mulally is there the weaker that bond has become. This is my last entry on this thread.
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When people are asked to earn less then everyone else must make up the difference in Taxes or take a reduction in services. The tax bill will not go down, The bills are still there so the bills must be paid. How long before we are all working for wages the same a third world workers.
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WTTCS wrote:This posts is hilarious.................TO ME.......................Being a business man who owns and runs and employees my workers, I have but one question for you???
"If he had that vision he could now be several billion dollars richer as it seems no one else saw it coming. I think it was just luck that Ford was running low on dollars before GM and Chrysler, forcing Ford to make the move to secure loans early.
I am a Ford retiree, have worked both sides of the fence, hourly and salary also a Ford stockholder. IMHO when Bill Ford finally knew he was in over his head and took on Mulally was the best move he ever made and will give him credit for that. Mulally is good, he proved that at Boeing. But had Ford gone bankrupt and Mulally's pay had been decreased he would have left. He in no way has the same stake in Ford that many of the hourly and lower salary workers have. Mulally could care less if the folks both hourly and salary on the factory floor have enough money to eat or have insurance. He also proved that at Boeing. "
Why does an employee think me or others as owners, OWE you anything , except a pay check?
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v10Superduty, you have made a good point. If the unions keep pushing for unreasonable benifits and wages the jobs will continue to go overseas. I also agree over the top executive bonasus
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Texas Jim S
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Sorry I hit the wrong button. Everybody in the company should take a good look at what they can expect and keep their job. If we demand too much regardless if it is labor or management we will lose. Employees should put in a full day of labor for a fair days pay and management should do the same. If either is out of ballance and blames the other they both lose. Like any playground if eveybody plays fair then we all win. It is when people get greedy that they lose.
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WTTCS
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"I don't think any employer owes a worker anything but what the employee and the owner bargain for in payment for the worker doing his or her job."
So, according to this, no matter what happens during the years of the contract, such as economic , warfare, health , etc, the owner OWES you something that he cannot give, and you DEMAND it.
And people wonder what is wrong in Detroit.
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