TylerOSU

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Hello, and thanks to many of you for helping resolve a few questions I had. We are now officially owners of an RV! ANd not only that, but will be our lovely abode for many months, if not years to come.
We actually got a 1996 Kit Companion Road Ranger 28ET for $3k, quite a solid deal for the age and functionality(NADA lists it with components at around $4,500 used, $20k new).
You try and find a comparable age/price/size on Craigslist-from a DEALER/REPAIR shop even. Most folks seem to be unable to hook them up and show them off properly, but not so at the dealers, they were super professional and went over everything.
They are even going to haul it out to our RV Park(BigValleyWoods-AWESOME park!) near Sandy, OR, for just $125. Lower it, make sure it's stable, hook it up to water/electric/sewer, go over a few things etc. Then later on we can do the more solid cinder block/wood foundation.
Bigvalleywoods actually has a deal right now for $300/month(W/S/G) for a year lease, so we are pretty stoked about that.
Now the biggest issue is moving/selling things from our apt, buying must haves for the trailer(like a $100-200 surge protector for the 110v cord), as well as insurance and DMV related things, like tags(for insurance etc, they are from FLorida but current). Also winterizing will be interesting perhaps for newbies like us.
Any comments and feedback on the model are appreciated, and what the first steps after placing it in an RV Park would help too.
I am thinking for the cold issues inside the RV won't be so dramatic, as we have our sweats/long johns, plus a DESKTOP PC, PS3 and 40inch Flat Screen will QUICKLY heat up our little living area. My main concern is I heard stuff about running the furnace to make sure the water lines don't bust or freeze and stuff like that. Thankfully in Oregon it doesn't get ridiculously cold, but there will be some nights below 20 for sure in a couple months.
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Golden_HVAC

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Hi,
I spent part of the winter in Fairview, just down the road from you in January 2008 to May. Not much snow that winter, but I heard that last winter was a bit more snow.
What I found is I did not want to freeze my water line, and I have a 100 gallon fresh water tank, so I would fill it once every 2 weeks or so (I lived in the RV for several years, and am used to conserving water) and then drain the fresh water hose and put it in the basement storage. I would drain the tanks when required, but not more than weekly.
I had 3 electric heaters, with a 30 amp service I had to be careful and a bit creative too. I put one heater near the fresh water tank, so it would keep that area warm, and keep the water pump from freezing. By keeping the tank above 50, the showers are warmer too - as it is not mixing extremely cold water with the hot water, so it will last longer.
The heater next to the water tank was powered with a #12 gauge extension cord from my power post. I also ran a extension cord to the area next to my bedroom, so I could plug in another heater without it using up my limited 30 amp service.
I found a hole in the basement to the area under my nightstand. (factory installed with a vent cover). It made it easy to use this to power one of the heaters. The other heaters need to be off if you are on a 30 amp service IF you are running the microwave, coffee maker, or an electric cooking device.
The heaters I used are about 7 amps on low and 12 amps on high setting. I could leave the bedroom on high if I wanted, because it was on a separate circuit. The others plugged into the RV had their limits, and usually I could run both if one was on high and the other on low.
Remember the refrigerator will be about 3 amps.
12 volt converter 1-2 amps
TV, VCR, computer - about 1-2 amps
Coffee Maker - look at the bottom, it will list the wattage, about 10 amps?
Microwave despite being 1,000 watts output, they consume about 12 amps.
Air conditioner (up to 13 amps)
Electric water heater option? About 800 watts or 7.5 amps.
If you try to turn things on and get to 28 amps, you are likely to trip the main circuit breaker. If you try to not exceed 25 amps, then you are likely to not trip the main breaker.
Here is what I found. I can buy 22 KW of electric at 9 cents per KW for about $2 and avoid burning 1 gallon of propane. (making 80,000 Btu's of heat) If your propane is less expensive, then that will heat the RV for the lowest cost, but I found that electric was much less expensive.
If you decide to get a heat pump to replace your air conditioner, then you can collect 80,000 Btu's of heat in about 6 hours while using only about 9 KW of electric. But they don't work well below about 40F. So they will work great about 4-5 months out of the year, and during the daytime during much of the winter. And they work as an air conditioner during the summer.
Good Luck,
Fred.
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TylerOSU

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Golden_HVAC wrote: Hi,
I spent part of the winter in Fairview, just down the road from you in January 2008 to May. Not much snow that winter, but I heard that last winter was a bit more snow.
What I found is I did not want to freeze my water line, and I have a 100 gallon fresh water tank, so I would fill it once every 2 weeks or so (I lived in the RV for several years, and am used to conserving water) and then drain the fresh water hose and put it in the basement storage. I would drain the tanks when required, but not more than weekly.
I had 3 electric heaters, with a 30 amp service I had to be careful and a bit creative too. I put one heater near the fresh water tank, so it would keep that area warm, and keep the water pump from freezing. By keeping the tank above 50, the showers are warmer too - as it is not mixing extremely cold water with the hot water, so it will last longer.
The heater next to the water tank was powered with a #12 gauge extension cord from my power post. I also ran a extension cord to the area next to my bedroom, so I could plug in another heater without it using up my limited 30 amp service.
I found a hole in the basement to the area under my nightstand. (factory installed with a vent cover). It made it easy to use this to power one of the heaters. The other heaters need to be off if you are on a 30 amp service IF you are running the microwave, coffee maker, or an electric cooking device.
The heaters I used are about 7 amps on low and 12 amps on high setting. I could leave the bedroom on high if I wanted, because it was on a separate circuit. The others plugged into the RV had their limits, and usually I could run both if one was on high and the other on low.
Remember the refrigerator will be about 3 amps.
12 volt converter 1-2 amps
TV, VCR, computer - about 1-2 amps
Coffee Maker - look at the bottom, it will list the wattage, about 10 amps?
Microwave despite being 1,000 watts output, they consume about 12 amps.
Air conditioner (up to 13 amps)
Electric water heater option? About 800 watts or 7.5 amps.
If you try to turn things on and get to 28 amps, you are likely to trip the main circuit breaker. If you try to not exceed 25 amps, then you are likely to not trip the main breaker.
Here is what I found. I can buy 22 KW of electric at 9 cents per KW for about $2 and avoid burning 1 gallon of propane. (making 80,000 Btu's of heat) If your propane is less expensive, then that will heat the RV for the lowest cost, but I found that electric was much less expensive.
If you decide to get a heat pump to replace your air conditioner, then you can collect 80,000 Btu's of heat in about 6 hours while using only about 9 KW of electric. But they don't work well below about 40F. So they will work great about 4-5 months out of the year, and during the daytime during much of the winter. And they work as an air conditioner during the summer.
Good Luck,
Fred.
Do I really need that many heaters to keep my water line from freezing?
What are the other methods to keep water flow going.
We do have access to showers at the site that are independent of the RV.
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I wish you well but I would bet it's going to be a long winter.
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Be sure to put full skirting around the bottom of the RV to the ground. My wife's folks had a TT in the mountains of Colorado while their house was being built onsite. He used styrofoam panels cut to fit from the bottom of the camper to the contour of the ground all around. He sealed up the gaps with duct tape. The key was making an air tight seal all the way around.
For heat underneath to keep everything from freezing up, he used several 100w light bulbs placed strategically near water lines and holding tanks. Worked well for the few months until the house was ready.
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You can wrap the water hose with electric heat tape and also use the foam insulation tubes you find at the home store to insulate the water hose. If you don't want to bother with that, do what Golden_HVAC said and fill your freshwater tank and drain the hose. Then use water out of your own tank. Keep the cabinet doors open if the temperature drops very low (low 20s maybe?) to keep the water pipes from freezing. You can move the heaters around while you're up to keep yourselves comfortable, and then put them near the water tank and water lines when you go to bed. I found that an electric blanket let me sleep comfortably in a cold bedroom. That allowed me to aim the warm air directly towards the kitchen sink cabinet on the coldest nights. Also, do load swapping if you can't keep every electrical appliance on at the same time. If you need the microwave, turn off one heater. If you heat water with electricity, turn on the water heater and turn off one heater.
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Hi,
I used three electric heaters because I have three zones to keep warm, and I also shut them off for the 8 - 10 hours that I left the RV during the day, and needed to quickly warm the RV from 50 to 70 when I got home. So I would turn the heaters on high for about an hour, while the water heater warmed up. Then I would shower and go to bed.
Each heater is only about 5,200 Btu's per hour, so not that large. One sometimes spent time next to the fresh water tank, so it would stay warm. I rarely ran the furnace, as the propane was more expensive, and the tank on the frame meant I would need to move the RV to fill it.
I did not use a skirt around the bottom of the RV, as I already had a insulated basement below my living area, and did not want to scratch the paint with anything. If I did skirt it, I might use some 24" wide aluminum insulation that has R-4 value is only 1/4" thick, and looks like heavy duty bubble wrap.
The insulation will support itself, and is flexible, fairly sun resistant, and will last at least one season. You can also use it to put inside, if you want to reduce the cold air around the windows.
You could use just one heater if you like, and then use the furnace more, and move the heater from one location to another. But I did not want to keep moving the heaters around, and pretty much left them in one location, and turned them on and off as I entered the room.
I would rather not put all those hours on my furnace. I know I can not replace the furnace myself, but the heaters are really cheap, even if they only last 2-3 years.
Good Luck,
Fred.
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Do the skirting around the perimeter and get 2 hanging work lights with long extension cords and 100 watt bulbs - hang underneath where needed and plug them into the electrical supply pedestal when the temps will be 32 or below.
Down comforters and feather beds. You won't need an alternate heat source when you are asleep. When it is time to turn on the furnace to heat things up, open all the cabinets, drawers and closets to warm up that air too. Get a voltage meter so you can determine which appliances can be turned on all at once. Insulate the windows, whether with draperies, insulated shades or what have you as they will transfer a lot of heat right out of the RV. Put down some rugs on bare floors.
Have a great time and enjoy your new home.
Iris
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TylerOSU

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StanleyandIris wrote: Do the skirting around the perimeter and get 2 hanging work lights with long extension cords and 100 watt bulbs - hang underneath where needed and plug them into the electrical supply pedestal when the temps will be 32 or below.
Down comforters and feather beds. You won't need an alternate heat source when you are asleep. When it is time to turn on the furnace to heat things up, open all the cabinets, drawers and closets to warm up that air too. Get a voltage meter so you can determine which appliances can be turned on all at once. Insulate the windows, whether with draperies, insulated shades or what have you as they will transfer a lot of heat right out of the RV. Put down some rugs on bare floors.
Have a great time and enjoy your new home.
Iris
Good stuff thanks, think the key thing and danger is the water pipes freezing/busting.
Everything else about keeping warm is variable.
Don't you think with a PS3/40inch TV+desktop PC and 2 human+dog body heat/breathing that won't keep the main area at least above 60? Mind you we would be wearing sweats or something too, but we prefer it cooler to warmer.
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To keep the water line from freezing, buy a heat tape. Literally a tape that will very slightly heat the hose to keep it from freezing. Just fix the tape parrallel along the hose and tape it down using electric tape, cover with some pipe insulation and you are done. The heat tape says not to use it on a hose, but I did for three years without any problems.
You will find that the RV is not as well insulated as a bricks and sticks structure, so you will loose heat faster. Don't count on heat generating bodies and equipment heating the RV! Buy two small cube ceramic heaters from Walmart for about $20 each and you will find that one will heat the whole RV on cool nights and two will do the trick and very cold nights. At 10 cents per kilowatt hour, each heater will cost 15 cents to run continously.
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