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The Black Pearl

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I live in Canada and I have been told by RV dealerships that the US version of Jayco trailers are not the same as the Canadian versions. I noticed Jayco charges an additional $179 or so for the Canadian standards version of the trailer. Any comments?

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Different just means different. It is presumptuous to assume it means better. Protectionism has many forms; this may be one.


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I know of one case that Canadian built trailer was sold in the US and when bought as used by a Canadian could not be registered there.

Why? I have no clue !


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Hi The Black Pearl,

It has nothing to do with patriotism.

No aluminum wiring is allowed in RV's intended for sale in Canada.

There are other differences as well.

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I live in Canada and I have been told by RV dealerships that the US version of Jayco trailers are not the same as the Canadian versions. I noticed Jayco charges an additional $179 or so for the Canadian standards version of the trailer. Any comments?



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The Black Pearl wrote:

I live in Canada and I have been told by RV dealerships that the US version of Jayco trailers are not the same as the Canadian versions. I noticed Jayco charges an additional $179 or so for the Canadian standards version of the trailer. Any comments?


I could be wrong, but I doubt there is a whole lot of difference safety wise, it's just the slightly different standards applied say in the size and number of wires allowed in a wire nut and of course having to have the unit certified in two places and not just one and the paperwork associated with that.

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I wonder how much of that $179 is for actual product differences, and how much is for the CSA certification fee...


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A Whole bunch of Smoke and Mirrors! Look at the CSA Website, You will be surprised! The main concerns are the appliances which are all built to CSA Standards right from the Git Go.


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As a Canadian (living in the States) can I suggest your heading is unnecessarily inflammatory?
I think you will find the majority of the extra cost is to handle unique processing for a small minority of the Manufacturer's production.
CSA and UL are very similar. Yes, there are differences but I would NEVER suggest one is better than the other. It's just two different countries with their own unique requirements.
It's like saying kilometers are better than miles, or liters are better than gallons.


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Hi daydeejay,

I think you have hit the nail on the head!

For example--it is illegal to parallel two Honda generator's in Canada.

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I think you will find the majority of the extra cost is to handle unique processing for a small minority of the Manufacturer's production.
CSA and UL are very similar. Yes, there are differences but I would NEVER suggest one is better than the other. It's just two different countries with their own unique requirements.
It's like saying kilometers are better than miles, or liters are better than gallons.


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It has been a while since leaving design/engineer for the corporate
side, but back then my product teams 'generally' designed to the
super set spec, which was usually CSA/TUV/VDE and others can't remember

Not one better than another, just different. Also different views on
how things 'should' be. On that geography plays...extreme cold and
humid will have a different spec than for the same product in an
extreme hot and dry location. Ditto places that have both and have
an extreme change or rate of change over the same time period.

No Aluminum wire as noted. Or no spade lugs, but ring lugs in 'certain'
applications. Or that some places has a light switch turn 'on' going 'down'.
Or a red indicator LED okay to indicate it is on, while other
countries it has to green.

You do know that in some countries AC is 50Hz, not 60Hz, right?
Or 110/120 isn't normal, but 220 is. Or the plug configuration
is different.

Stuff like that.

My corporation had over 50 folks in central engineering just handling
these certifications. A whole set of buildings to test, as we were
self certifying, meaning good enough of a track record and retested
often (surprise inspections). The shake rattle and roll spec is
different enough, but close enough to design and test to the 'worst'
one. Ditto burn testing. Ditto drop testing. Etc.

Also labeling and documentation. The DB just for the labels was
amazing. A symbol for one country has one meaning and the same for
another country had another meaning, so special 'country' labels. Ditto
language, France is the most onerous as everything has be in French
too, as the universal symbols not enough for them.

Mainly for multinational products. Products destined for just one
or a small number of countries have it way easier.


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