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Caddywhompus

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Last year, we received a call from a gentleman from West Virgina, who asked us if we could set up his Chrysler 300C to tow his trailer. As it turns out, he tows a cargo trailer outfitted with living quarters, and travels extensively to attend trials motorcycle events. In addition to this, he is an airline pilot, and as a hobby he flies gliders. If you ever needed someone who was trained to drive or fly just about anything, he's the man for the job. He had towed the trailer for a few years with a Caprice wagon but as it got old he changed to a 3/4 ton diesel truck, but it did not suit his expectations.

We sent him home with everything needed to set his trailer up properly with the 300C. I did not hear from him for a while after he returned to Virginia, so I thought that I would send an e-mail to see how he was doing. His reply helps to illustrate the point I am trying to explain.

Hello Andy:
Sorry I took so long to respond. I have been traveling a lot, and I don't use the computer much in the summer. A good summary of towing with the 300C ¨C while traveling along I-84 thru mountainous northeast Pennsylvania my wife asked "when is it my turn to drive?! Being the control freak that I am, I politely responded, "you don't want to drive with that huge trailer behind us, this is more work than you think it is". She responded, "It couldn't be all that hard, considering you have been driving with 3 fingers on the wheel since we left home".

Quite humbling to say the least - I can definitely "feel" the trailer behind us more so than I could when we towed it with our truck, but then again, in the truck you don't "feel" much of anything other than bumps anyway. However, the handling of the rig when towing with the 300C is 100 times better than towing the trailer with the truck.

Before we left home I took the combo to my local airport, where I had lots of open pavement, and I ran a slalom course of sorts to find out just how it handled before hitting the open road. Stops from 60 mph are approximately 40 feet shorter than my with my 3/4 ton truck.... (it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges, I'm sure that difference would shrink if my truck was equipped with the same type of pedal actuated brake controller. I have about 2000 miles of 300C towing so far, and it has been wonderful.... I would put this combo up against any truck/SUV, (particularly in evasive maneuvers).

I have not installed the extra friction sway control you sold me because the break-away switch is mounted on the side of the trailer tongue, right where the ball plate needs to be mounted. I'll eventually relocate that switch so that I can put it on, but sway is pretty much non-existent, and a single friction control seems to be plenty enough.

Thanks for the insight on setting up the torsion bars on the hitch - this is probably one of the most important adjustments that can be made. I followed your instructions and added a few bolts about 100 miles into our trip. This is definitely something I used to overlook, (simply because I didn't know any better), but it has a profound effect on handling. When I have it set just right, the trailer and car feel like one unit (does that make any sense? It is kind of hard to describe).

I guess my only complaint is that I wish the ball was a little higher, because my trailer sits nose low.... not a problem other that it looks bad (more ammo for the pro truck crowd who think the trailer is sagging because the car cant hold up the weight, which we know is FALSE).

The most difficult thing I've had to deal with thus far was getting back into the US (customs) and having to explain why I drove 8 hours to Canada to have a hitch receiver installed. "You mean to tell me that no one in West Virginia installs trailer hitches?" I replied, "Well sir, they do, but not like this one".... he kneels and looks under the car, comes back up and says "yeah, you got that right, someone did a helluva job on this one, but why would you want to tow anything with this beautiful car?"

Now that's the million dollar question. I still ask myself why I pay $650 a month for a luxury car that I'm torturing with 7000lbs of trailer. Of course it's not really an issue considering that we got 12mpg overall, and we still felt like camping when we got to New Hampshire, since all of our vertebrae were still intact (unlike riding in GOLIATH, my faithful, but wasteful 3/4 ton pickup).


Last week, I passed a family traveling on the 401 near London. They were towing a 28' conventional travel trailer with a crew cab short box truck. Rolling along at 110 KPH their trailer was swaying rhythmically back and forth, using the full width of the lane. When I got up beside them I expected to see a badly adjusted equalizing hitch, but instead they were towing with just a ball ¨C there was no weight distribution and no sway control. The kids were sitting in the back seat, watching a movie, and the driver seemed to be totally oblivious to the trailer sway that everyone else on the highway could see. He did not have extension mirrors, so he could not see down the sides of the trailer. Since he likely did not feel much from the trailer, he probably thought that everything was fine, but if he had to make a sudden lane change, or even if he went into a turn too fast, it would have been very easy for him to loose control of the rig and due to the high centre of gravity of both the truck and trailer, it could roll over fairly easily. I guess ignorance is bliss, but only until the unexpected happens.

Just because you may not "feel" your trailer as you roll down the highway, it does not necessarily mean that your tow vehicle / trailer combination is as safe as it could be. Proper selection of a weight distributing hitch is essential for safety and control at highway speeds. At a bare minimum make sure that your hitch ball is as close to the bumper as possible, and adjust the hitch so that your torsion bars are transferring weight to the front wheels; use a good quality sway control on most trailers, and use two sway control units on trailers over 25' long. If you have any doubts about your hitch equipment or adjustment, any RV dealer would be more than happy to check your rig for you, and help you bring it up to its peak towing capability.


Very interesting article.

* This post was edited 09/25/07 08:14am by Caddywhompus *


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7000 lbs trailer behind a 300C and the implication is that's ok as long as Andy sets it up? Great googly moogly.

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Chysler 300C, a luxury car? $650 a month? Towing 7,000lbs with this car? What airline does this pilot fly for? What model transmission and differentials does Chrysler put under the car, is it all sourced from Mercedes benz? The pilot goes into detail of a rv'er towing using a truck to make himself feel better, smarter. Just because you see another clueless soul, does that make you less so?


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Capt Skup wrote:

Chysler 300C, a luxury car? $650 a month? Towing 7,000lbs with this car? What airline does this pilot fly for? What model transmission and differentials does Chrysler put under the car, is it all sourced from Mercedes benz? The pilot goes into detail of a rv'er towing using a truck to make himself feel better, smarter. Just because you see another clueless soul, does that make you less so?


Actually, the italicized text was from the pilot, the rest of the text was Andy's editorial on the letter. Just wanted to make sure everyone was getting that.

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Something's odd here. A 7,000# trailer needs at least 750# of tongue weight minimum for stable towing. And that's if you bring your surgical scale with you and check and adjust every time you hook up. Add in the man and his wife and this 300C is way over its GVWR. I would expect his car suspension would be badly overloaded, no?

I get the minivan schpiel. They've got the reserve axle ratings and GVWR. But the 300C is just a passenger car. Heck passenger cars these days barely have enough GVWR to cover people and stuff inside them!

Check it out: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-09-13-overloaded-cars_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

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I would doubt if the carrying capacity of the 300C is 1,000lbs at most. Tongue weight, passengers, luggage, fuel. Just because it [can] be done, does not make it smart to do. No matter how good the hitch, how well set up weight distributing and weight control, the car still sounds like it is overloaded.

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I wonder now how many people, after reading this article, will now believe that towing this much weight with a car is safe?

When towing you can never have enough truck (with the important word here being truck)...

People who don't know, or don't care, that they are way overloaded when towing are a hazard to us all...


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M GO BLUE wrote:

I wonder now how many people, after reading this article, will now believe that towing this much weight with a car is safe?

When towing you can never have enough truck (with the important word here being truck)...

People who don't know, or don't care, that they are way overloaded when towing are a hazard to us all...


Why would a vehicle that has been proven (by track testing performed by at least two independent people) to handle better and stop shorter than a comparable 3/4 ton diesel pickup be considered unsafe while towing?

I for one think the new Chrysler RWD sedans are potentially great tow vehicles, especially if setup correct by a professional. The engine and transmission come out of the Dodge Ram pickup, and the sophisticated multi-link fully independent rear suspension is from a Mercedes Benz S-class. The rigid unibody structure is going to transfer weight better and noodle around less under load. Brakes are top-notch 4-wheel disk and combined with sticky low-profile tires stopping distance and road grip and unparalleled by any "truck".

The curb weight (according to Autoweek website) of the heaviest 300C is 4160, and the GVWR is 5066, leaving 906 pounds for payload inside the car. Subtract 750 estimated tongue weight and you get 156 pounds left for a driver. Yes, this sounds close, but SO MANY mid-size SUVs and smaller pickups have 7000 tow ratings and about the same payload situation. In truth, the 300C is no worse payload-wise than a Nissan Pathfinder or Ford Explorer V8.

Where is the "Achilles Heel" that keeps this vehicle from towing anything?

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[quote=Capt Skup]I would doubt if the carrying capacity of the 300C is 1,000lbs at most. Tongue weight, passengers, luggage, fuel. Just because it [can] be done, does not make it smart to do. No matter how good the hitch, how well set up weight distributing and weight control, the car still sounds like it is overloaded.[/quote] Maybe, maybe not. It can be hard to tell without a scale. However, a 750 lb tongue weight with a fully adjusted WDH (putting even weight on all four tires of the tow vehicle) should put about 550-575 lbs on the car, depending on the length of the trailer. (The rest of the tongue weight gets transferred back to the trailer axles.) Total load with two passengers should be in the range of 900 lbs - I wouldn't expect an airline pilot to be fat. And if you are travelling with a trailer, there's no reason to have any luggage in the car.

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Caddywhompus,

That's 1...

Anyways, I never said the car could not tow anything I stated it could not tow it safely...(reread the first sentence I typed in my other posting)

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