Road Ruler
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The worlds fastest TV???
Straight line acceleration is one thing and overall handling is another.
It appears that in the interest of safety, science, and performance some on track, closed circuit TV testing was done not to long ago.
Various vehicles were "professionally connected" to test their towing prowess. The tests were emergency maneuvering and lane changes.
The high end Jaguar sport sedan with it's "CAT" suspension system, and wide ultra performance tires was quicker through the course when compared to the 300C Hemi. No doubt PW's Charger would be quicker than the 300C but would it be at the level of the Jag??????
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carringb wrote:OK everybody... Time to take a deep breath, and
Seriously, PowerWagon came here to share his experience about his fast, fun to drive car, that happens to be a good tow vehicle. I don't think he's here trying to convert the rest of to car drivers. But, please consider what he has shared with us, and realize there's more than one horse that can pull a cart.
I would also like to appologize for letting some of the forum members getting under my skin.
A lack of patience is perhaps 1 of my worst (But not only) character flaws.
In retrospect, I can see where the title might have seemed arrogant, but I did pose it as a question to provoke dicussion & It looks like I was wildly sucessful in that respect.
I never set out to ridicule anyone else's life stye choices but when mine were ridiculeled, I gave in to the temtatioon to return the favor.
On the positive side, I learned a lot & recieved (in my mind @ least) as many if not more, positive responses as I did negative.
I also got the opportunity to make the online aquantance of some very interesting & knowledgeable characters & that includes some of those that disagreed W/my choices.
So what it all boils down to is that there is more than one way to skin a cat & W/the rising cost of feul, I hope that I may have brought to light some alternatives to abondoning the RVs or doing it W/some of the less exciting choices in tow vehicles.
I think I might just hang around this site for a while
BTW, Here's the timeslip of my best run. (sans trailer of course) It was an outright N/A 5.7 powered LX record @ the time & still holds the N/A 5.7 powered Charger record.
That's me in the left lane. Even though I blew by the other car @ the finish line, I lost because I "broke out" & ran faster than my "dial in" in this quarterfinal race, but I was still tickled to death.
Click here to see the "Mango Express" in action against a mid 13 second Daytona. (turn up the volume)
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wildnfree wrote:This is an RV site and a 12,000 load pound would be a "real" load for the audience that generally participates.
Disagree.
First and foremost is the implication that weight is the only thing to consider. Can I pull 12,000 pounds with a minivan? Sure, if it was streamlined like an Airstream and I never had to go faster than 40mph or climb a hill. So many more variables to consider than weight alone. I would sooner hook a 6000 pound low profile popup camper to my van than a 3500 pound box-style travel trailer with a flat front and 96 sq/ft of frontal area.
12,000 pound RVs are rare, and I concede that if one wants to pull such an extreme weight then they have already made the decision to own a 3/4 ton truck or larger.
Far more common these days are the towable RVs that hover around 4000-7000 pounds or so. These are the units that are really the bread and butter of the industry, so to speak. Up for debate is what kind of tow vehicles can safely tow this class of RV? Historically, it didn't matter much to this forum if the trailer was 5000 or 12,000 pounds, conventional wisdom insisted that only a truck or SUV was a viable option to pull it.
Sedans, Coupes, Wagons and Minivans are consistently scoffed at, even when one guy posts his rig and shows how successful he is pulling it with a sedan.
It doesn't really matter how much test data Road Ruler and I show you, how many testimonies you read, how many math equations I pull out to prove what can and can't be done, all we get is negative attitude and ego-driven sarcastic responses from most. Hardly helpful to anyone, and clearly not open-minded.
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PowerWagon896
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Road Ruler wrote:The worlds fastest TV???
Straight line acceleration is one thing and overall handling is another.
It appears that in the interest of safety, science, and performance some on track, closed circuit TV testing was done not to long ago.
Various vehicles were "professionally connected" to test their towing prowess. The tests were emergency maneuvering and lane changes.
The high end Jaguar sport sedan with it's "CAT" suspension system, and wide ultra performance tires was quicker through the course when compared to the 300C Hemi. No doubt PW's Charger would be quicker than the 300C but would it be at the level of the Jag??????
Maybe not, but the stock Daytona as well as the Road & Track versions of the Charger & Magnum R/T have a much improved suspension & steering compared to the 300C.
Interesting to see where the "safer" Suburbans & 3/4 ton diesel finished though.
I think I could give that Jag a run for his money
How about braking? Got any data on that?
I'm sure the Jag would be hard to equal, but what about those trucks?
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Caddywhompus wrote:
It doesn't really matter how much test data Road Ruler and I show you, how many testimonies you read, how many math equations I pull out to prove what can and can't be done, all we get is negative attitude and ego-driven sarcastic responses from most. Hardly helpful to anyone, and clearly not open-minded.
True the topic gets cluttered with the time wasting sarcastic responses but many believe the silent majority are digesting the valid information and learning from it.
Also thnxs to the monitors who have allowed this topic to run its course and where "out of the box" thinking and opinions are expressed freely as it should be in a land where freedom of speech is held in such high regard.
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PowerWagon896 wrote:
Interesting to see where the "safer" Suburban's & 3/4 ton diesel finished though.
I think I could give that Jag a run for his money
How about braking? Got any data on that?
I'm sure the Jag would be hard to equal, but what about those trucks?
PW, will see what I can find on braking. There may be some data lurking around somewhere.
Sure the large heavy trucks do not handle like a sports sedans but with all do respect many of these vehicles have very large payload capacities and the ability to carry on their backs certain loads the cars can't. There is no perfect TV to please everyone.
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Road Ruler wrote:PowerWagon896 wrote:
Interesting to see where the "safer" Suburban's & 3/4 ton diesel finished though.
I think I could give that Jag a run for his money
How about braking? Got any data on that?
I'm sure the Jag would be hard to equal, but what about those trucks?
PW, will see what I can find on braking. There may be some data lurking around somewhere.
Sure the large heavy trucks do not handle like a sports sedans but with all do respect many of these vehicles have very large payload capacities and the ability to carry on their backs certain loads the cars can't. There is no perfect TV to please everyone.
Well I never tried to imply that a sedan was right for all situations, but it was the "my truck can pull that (my) trailer just as fast & a lot safer" comments that arroused my curiousity as to real world braking performance W/a moderate sized TT..
Of course I expect that we will soon see the "conspirousy theory" posts soon enough.
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Appears anyone who said you didn't/couldn't do a 12 sec 1/4 should be eating their words about now. Nice run.
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I dug up this video shot in August of "06" when the car was near stock W/just a plug in tuner, Mopar Performance long tube headers/high flow cats, a 175*F TSTAT & a manual fan control
At the begining of the clip, you will hear a funky sounding shift caused by my inept throttle manipulation during a manual input upshift on a short but steep grade @ low speed.
All of the subsequent shift are normal.
The footage was shot by my son W/a small hand held digi camera from the back seat. The image does bob around a bit. This is not idicative of the vehicle's ride other than maybe showing that it does have a firm stance on the highway. The bobbing is not due to the trailer in any way.
You will notice though, that even when passing & being passed by semi tractor rigs @ 70 MPH on interstate highways, there is no sway whatsoever.
The clip is a bit long @ 17+ minutes but if you can keep from getting bored, there is some great footage & some great audio compliments of the standard equipment, Daytona package, 320 watt Boston Acoustics stereo/Sirius satelite radio not to mention the best music of all, that 5.7 Hemi purring through those Mopar Performance long tube headers/cats & stock Daytona exhaust as it gleefully flexes it's muscles just a bit.
There are several scenes depicting near effortless acceleration while passing (safely) on a 2 lane highway, & entering trafic via on ramps.
I also got shots while pulling a long moderate grade doing 70 MPH @ 2400 RPM. I read out the instrument data (EVIC) on throttle position & coolant temperature while pulling that grade in the August heat. I think you will be surprized @ the readings.
Okay, get thet popcorn you popped while I was getting this text lined out, turn up the volume & listen to that 5.7 Hemi purr.
Click here to watch Buffalo-Trip-Towing-With-The-Daytona
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ib516 wrote:Appears anyone who said you didn't/couldn't do a 12 sec 1/4 should be eating their words about now. Nice run.
Correct. I'm so gullible I believed him the first time.
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