Cloud Dancer
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belfert wrote:If Goodyear is the official tire of Nascar, why aren't teams getting the Goodyear tires for free?
I suppose the sponsorship money benefits Nascar itself and not the teams.
NASCAR is just like any other democracy. They get their share of the money FIRST, and they make all the rules.
It's always been that way, and nothing can change it.
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belfert wrote:If Goodyear is the official tire of Nascar, why aren't teams getting the Goodyear tires for free?
I suppose the sponsorship money benefits Nascar itself and not the teams.
Goodyear is the ONLY tire in NA$CAR.
IMHO it is what they call a Monopoly, which if I am correct is frowned upon by the courts.......
Several tire manufacturers have attepmted to get into Cup racing, but the big guys always run them out.
Seems to me Goodyear did the same thing with the load of tires they dropped off for one of the F1 races at Indy a few years ago.......
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Wickerbill wrote:An absolute embarrassment to the Speedway....Ranks right up there with the F1 debacle of two years ago except worse...there's more people effected.
You think Nascar will step up and give the fans free tickets for next year's race like they did for the F1 race last year? Wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen now that France has the money in the bank.
It's about time that Tony George throws these chicken farmers out and brings in a good 24hour ALMS or Rolex race in it's place. Based on the empty seats in the stands it would probably draw about the same. It's not like the France family or ISC (one in the same) is doing Indycar any favors anyway on those track where Indycars try to stage an event.......
I got to believe that there's some people really nervous at Goodyear this morning.......I mean how could you have such a bad tire for an event when they just tested there a few weeks ago??? And it's not like it's the first time they've ever run there...they know what the track is......inexcusable on Goodyear's part.
BS, so Goodyear drops the ball on tire compounds and now NASCAR is chicken farmers ? Get a clue, NASCAR is lightyears ahead of any other motorsports in the US. Indy Car is a one race series with girls throwing hissy fits. The F1 race had all the top teams quit before the start except for Ferrari so it shows how biased YOU are of NASCAR to say this race was like that none race.
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Quote:Seems to me Goodyear did the same thing with the load of tires they dropped off for one of the F1 races at Indy a few years ago.......
Actually I think it was Michelin on the F1 tires at Indy in 06...Only 6 cars competed that day...another huge embarrassment to the speedway...but Michelin, F1 and the Speedway did the right thing and pulled together and gave free tickets/vouchers to the paying fans for the 07 race...Don't look for Goodyear or Nascar to step up and do the same...and the Speedway can't afford to do it on it's own...sad actually the greatest race track in the world has to take a black eye in the name of a bunch of GREEDY deadbeats unwilling to do the right thing for their fans.
I watched pieces of the Victory Circle show on speed with Kenny Wallace and Jimmy Spencer..they were in lockstep with the Nascar mantra saying that "actually between the yellows there was some really great racing that took place"...PULEEZE! You can put a dress on a pig...it's still a pig. I read elsewhere a statement from Nascar that basically said they ran a complete race albeit with a few problems therefore no refunds or compensation would be forthcoming.
If I were Tony George I'd say...SEE YA as soon as I could put together a replacement race for this bunch of money grubbing thieves. And with the battles Tony has been fighting with ISC who is basically the track promoting arm of Nascar for Indycar races at ISC tracks..he just might. I see the ISC track in Nashville won't be on the Indycar schedule next year.
Nascar will feel the effects of this from the fans for a couple of races...but the public has a short memory and Nascar will wave some bright colored object in front of them and they'll be back like the lemmings they are. It will take more than this to hurt the 800 lb gorilla.
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Quote:Actually I think it was Michelin on the F1 tires at Indy in 06...Only 6 cars competed that day...another huge embarrassment to the speedway
It was 2005 not 2006 and only two of the top drivers competed. Again I see you are totally biased against NASCAR and worship Indy Car that is a joke of a race series that has their #1 driver having hissy fits every week. If YOU think NASCAR is Chicken Farmers then what is Indy Car ?
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I think you have that reversed,If I were Nascar I would tell Tony George to take a hike..how many car races can his family and greed try to ruin
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I'm focused on the thousands of positive results, now and throughout the history of NASCAR, and I try to view things in more-objective perspective. An occasional event that goes awry is to be expected. I NEVER expect perfection, there's no such thing. The number of well-executed NASCAR events far outnumber the imperfect ones.
For those of us who are not in a financial position to attend the races, the TV coverage of the NASCAR races and the drama is a much-appreciated gift. I choose to NOT live my life in a bad mood. But, if you want to focus on atrocities, there are several right here in the USA that I can recommend.
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Quote:NASCAR is lightyears ahead of any other motorsports in the US.
Those pushrod motors with carburetors and modified truck chassis they run today is real high tech stuff. Those items alone give me all the clues I need...If you want to buy into the Nascar mantra...that's your choice but you'll never get me to accept it as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Promotion wise..I agree..they've done a excellent job of selling their product. Hence they are the 800 lb gorilla in autosports.
Quote:I think you have that reversed,If I were Nascar I would tell Tony George to take a hike..how many car races can his family and greed try to ruin
First of all Nascar asked/begged to run the speedway for years...Tony needed money to start/fund the IRL..desire met opportunity so it was a win/win for both..that's how the Brickyard got started in the first place...Second of all with the lousy tires at the F1 race and the lousy tires at this Nascar event...I'd say the sanctioning bodies are doing a fine job on their own at ruining races....Goodyear is at fault for bringing a lousy tire for this event...Nascar shares the blame...they ultimately told Goodyear which tire to bring....Both Nascar and Goodyear knew there were problems with the tire after the tire test in April...no one addressed it. On top of that..the tire test was in April when the track temps are quite a bit cooler than in July. Why it was thought that this would be legitimate data to base a tire compound for use in July when the track temps are at least 50 degrees or more warmer is beyond me. But they pay those guys the big buck so It's obvious that their decision was the correct one...NOT!
Oh and by the way...."Chicken Farmers" is NOT my term. That's a term that Cale Yarborough used years ago when he was asked who Nascar drivers were....his response was,"We are just a bunch of old chicken farmers gone racing". Sorry if you were offended by one of Nascar's own.....
Finally I watch this stuff for the entertainment value...not as a way of life. I don't know what Nascar can do to top this fiasco...but I'm sure they will come up with something. I just find it amazing that you "DIE HARD FANS" aren't outraged by this incident and what it does to your driver's points standings. Do you really think that this event reflected your driver's ability or opportunity to advance his position running 10 laps at a time? What if your drivers' car was set up for the long run?? Do you think he was given the chance to capitalize on that set up??
IMO the points earned at this event shouldn't even count towards the chase or the standings for any of the participants. I will admit..the drivers and pit crews earned their money. Am I bias? You bet...any organization that puts on a lousy show and then does nothing to make it up to it loyal fans has cheated it's customers of their hard earned money and is pretty low in my book. Those who paid to go to the Brickyard this year got robbed. Nascar compounds that by tuning it's back on it's loyal fans with it usual indigence.
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Cloud Dancer wrote:I'm focused on the thousands of positive results, now and throughout the history of NASCAR, and I try to view things in more-objective perspective. An occasional event that goes awry is to be expected. I NEVER expect perfection, there's no such thing. The number of well-executed NASCAR events far outnumber the imperfect ones. For those of us who are not in a financial position to attend the races, the TV coverage of the NASCAR races and the drama is a much-appreciated gift. I choose to NOT live my life in a bad mood. But, if you want to focus on atrocities, there are several right here in the USA that I can recommend.
Willie..I couldn’t agree more. Nascar has done many things well. My only gripe on this whole incident is that the Indianapolis Motor Speedway is being viewed with a jaundice eye because of other’s shortcomings at that just isn’t fair. The fans saw an absolutely horrible event and who paid good money are being told, Tough…deal with it, by Nascar/Goodyear who brought the whole thing on themselves.
I hate to throw in with conspiracy theorists, but I have to believe the bean counters were put on point when this event started going south even before it started and told management that we don’t want to have to give refunds for this multitude…make sure you run the event to completion no matter how painful…why else would they bring tires in for Pocono as an out for them to avoid the bad circumstances they saw coming.
In hindsight this whole thing could have been avoided with a little more tire testing. But Nascar just doesn’t seem to want to spend adequate money on it. This isn’t the first time they, Nascar/Goodyear has had problems with tires. The Atlanta event if memory serves me left a lot to be desired as well. Goodyear made a poor tire…but Nascar is ultimately responsible as they instruct which tire to bring for a given event.
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Well - my .02 cents. The NASCAR race on Sunday - and the Goodyear tire swap - -
OH WAIT - theres something bright on the ground ?? - shoot - only a penny.
Now - what were we talking about?
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