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Nascarcruzin wrote:How 'bout them Fords????????
Impressive, especially the 1932 pickup and the 3-window coupe. The 1940 coupe was one of my favorites as well. I'm proud to say I have owned all 3 of these Fords. I also owned a 1966 Mustang. But, I'm a Chevy man,.....waiting for Tony Stewart to get his '09 going....
Oh Yeah, congratulations to Jack Rousch. All his cars in the top 10, with Carl doing his backflip,.....at his home track,...it doesn't get much better than that.
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coolbreeze01 wrote:8.1 Van wrote:Quote:Attempts made to rig dyno test after Saturday's race, official says
BROOKLYN, Mich. - The Nos. 18 and 20 Nationwide Series teams of Joe Gibbs Racing - which have dominated competition in the series most of the season - could face serious sanctions after NASCAR officials said late Saturday the teams had attempted to alter the outcome of a chassis dyno test.
After Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, NASCAR tested several cars on the chassis dynamometer, which measures rear-wheel horsepower, as officials have done several times this season.
During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials.
"This was an attempt to interfere with NASCAR's post-race inspection process, and we are taking it very seriously," said Jim Hunter, vice president of corporate communications for the sanctioning body.
Hunter would not go into detail about what NASCAR officials found, but said both teams faced penalties, which would be announced early next week. No action would be taken at the track this weekend, he said.
Reached Saturday night, JGR team spokesperson Mike Arning said team officials felt that they were adhering to the rules laid out by NASCAR with the cars entered in Saturday's race.
Last month, NASCAR announced rule changes for the Toyota engines used in the Nationwide Series. The new guidelines were intended to cut about 15 horsepower. Saturday's race at Michigan was the first since that change in which horsepower was expected to play a larger role in performance and the race outcome. The previous three events were on a short track and two road courses.
So far this season, JGR's No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have combined for 13 wins in 25 races, with the most recent Kyle Busch's victory at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Clermont, Ind., in late July.
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Kinda turns NASCAR into a joke 
Could explain all those previous wins, or at least some of them. I notice Cousin Carl drove off from Busch yesterday for the win.
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Cloud Dancer
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OzarkPreacher wrote:coolbreeze01 wrote:8.1 Van wrote:Quote:Attempts made to rig dyno test after Saturday's race, official says
BROOKLYN, Mich. - The Nos. 18 and 20 Nationwide Series teams of Joe Gibbs Racing - which have dominated competition in the series most of the season - could face serious sanctions after NASCAR officials said late Saturday the teams had attempted to alter the outcome of a chassis dyno test.
After Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, NASCAR tested several cars on the chassis dynamometer, which measures rear-wheel horsepower, as officials have done several times this season.
During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials.
"This was an attempt to interfere with NASCAR's post-race inspection process, and we are taking it very seriously," said Jim Hunter, vice president of corporate communications for the sanctioning body.
Hunter would not go into detail about what NASCAR officials found, but said both teams faced penalties, which would be announced early next week. No action would be taken at the track this weekend, he said.
Reached Saturday night, JGR team spokesperson Mike Arning said team officials felt that they were adhering to the rules laid out by NASCAR with the cars entered in Saturday's race.
Last month, NASCAR announced rule changes for the Toyota engines used in the Nationwide Series. The new guidelines were intended to cut about 15 horsepower. Saturday's race at Michigan was the first since that change in which horsepower was expected to play a larger role in performance and the race outcome. The previous three events were on a short track and two road courses.
So far this season, JGR's No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have combined for 13 wins in 25 races, with the most recent Kyle Busch's victory at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Clermont, Ind., in late July.
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Kinda turns NASCAR into a joke
Could explain all those previous wins, or at least some of them. I notice Cousin Carl drove off from Busch yesterday for the win.
"Winning is not everything,.....it's the ONLY thing..."
NASCAR will not reverse their decision on who won, therefore the drivers never know when they're driving a cheater car. Was the #99 a cheater car? Not if it doesn't get caught. What matters the most is who wins the championship. That's where the money is. Carl is now in position to win both the Cup and the Nationwide. Kyle is not in the Nationwide championship race, but he's a contender for the Cup,.....but so is Johnson, Stewart, and maybe Jr.
All it means is that it's going to get more exciting, and we'll be watching.
I'm puttig my money on Stewart, FOR BRISTOL....
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OzarkPreacher wrote:coolbreeze01 wrote:8.1 Van wrote:Quote:Attempts made to rig dyno test after Saturday's race, official says
BROOKLYN, Mich. - The Nos. 18 and 20 Nationwide Series teams of Joe Gibbs Racing - which have dominated competition in the series most of the season - could face serious sanctions after NASCAR officials said late Saturday the teams had attempted to alter the outcome of a chassis dyno test.
After Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, NASCAR tested several cars on the chassis dynamometer, which measures rear-wheel horsepower, as officials have done several times this season.
During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials.
"This was an attempt to interfere with NASCAR's post-race inspection process, and we are taking it very seriously," said Jim Hunter, vice president of corporate communications for the sanctioning body.
Hunter would not go into detail about what NASCAR officials found, but said both teams faced penalties, which would be announced early next week. No action would be taken at the track this weekend, he said.
Reached Saturday night, JGR team spokesperson Mike Arning said team officials felt that they were adhering to the rules laid out by NASCAR with the cars entered in Saturday's race.
Last month, NASCAR announced rule changes for the Toyota engines used in the Nationwide Series. The new guidelines were intended to cut about 15 horsepower. Saturday's race at Michigan was the first since that change in which horsepower was expected to play a larger role in performance and the race outcome. The previous three events were on a short track and two road courses.
So far this season, JGR's No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have combined for 13 wins in 25 races, with the most recent Kyle Busch's victory at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Clermont, Ind., in late July.
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Kinda turns NASCAR into a joke
Could explain all those previous wins, or at least some of them. I notice Cousin Carl drove off from Busch yesterday for the win.
And during the post race, shrub tells the reporter, "We showed we could keep up with the 99." I thought to myself, "ummmm, no, not really." Everybody saw Carl drive away from shrub.
You can just tell in his (shrub's) post race interviews when he loses, he is a sore loser with very little sportsmanship about him whatsoever.
I am rooting for Carl Edwards to win the Championship this year. He is a class act.
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OzarkPreacher wrote:
Could explain all those previous wins, or at least some of them. I notice Cousin Carl drove off from Busch yesterday for the win.
Of course, Cousin Carl is 10 points lighter due to his "loose" oil lid at Las Vegas.
The slogan in the garage is:
"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'" 
It is the car owner's job to try and get an advantage on the competition any way they can. They just have to be prepared to accept the consequences if they break the rules.
It is NASCAR's job to make sure they don't break the rules. Their other job is to punish those that they catch.
This magnet thing should prove interesting.
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Cloud Dancer
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Look, the magnet was incidental to the scheme. What the idiot did was to place a 1/4" SHIM, or "stop", between the gas pedal and floor. It was magnetized so that it would hold itself in-place. They tried this in hopes of peventing the engine from dyno-ing 100% of its power,....which means that somehow they had gained much of the horsepower that NASCAR had previously taken. It was reported that the Toyota engineers had instucted them on how to restore the lost horsepower.
The penalty will be interesting.
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Cloud Dancer
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surveyorjp wrote:OzarkPreacher wrote:coolbreeze01 wrote:8.1 Van wrote:Quote:Attempts made to rig dyno test after Saturday's race, official says
BROOKLYN, Mich. - The Nos. 18 and 20 Nationwide Series teams of Joe Gibbs Racing - which have dominated competition in the series most of the season - could face serious sanctions after NASCAR officials said late Saturday the teams had attempted to alter the outcome of a chassis dyno test.
After Saturday's Nationwide race at Michigan International Speedway, NASCAR tested several cars on the chassis dynamometer, which measures rear-wheel horsepower, as officials have done several times this season.
During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials.
"This was an attempt to interfere with NASCAR's post-race inspection process, and we are taking it very seriously," said Jim Hunter, vice president of corporate communications for the sanctioning body.
Hunter would not go into detail about what NASCAR officials found, but said both teams faced penalties, which would be announced early next week. No action would be taken at the track this weekend, he said.
Reached Saturday night, JGR team spokesperson Mike Arning said team officials felt that they were adhering to the rules laid out by NASCAR with the cars entered in Saturday's race.
Last month, NASCAR announced rule changes for the Toyota engines used in the Nationwide Series. The new guidelines were intended to cut about 15 horsepower. Saturday's race at Michigan was the first since that change in which horsepower was expected to play a larger role in performance and the race outcome. The previous three events were on a short track and two road courses.
So far this season, JGR's No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have combined for 13 wins in 25 races, with the most recent Kyle Busch's victory at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Clermont, Ind., in late July.
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Kinda turns NASCAR into a joke
Could explain all those previous wins, or at least some of them. I notice Cousin Carl drove off from Busch yesterday for the win.
And during the post race, shrub tells the reporter, "We showed we could keep up with the 99." I thought to myself, "ummmm, no, not really." Everybody saw Carl drive away from shrub.
You can just tell in his (shrub's) post race interviews when he loses, he is a sore loser with very little sportsmanship about him whatsoever.
I am rooting for Carl Edwards to win the Championship this year. He is a class act.
Every fan's perception of what happened is different.
The fact is that Kyle gave a full explanation of why his car lost the edge he had at the time he when past Carl. This interview was replayed on 2 different shows (that I watched). And, his explanation explained exactly what I saw during the race.
Bottom line:
CARL WON THE RACE!
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either way if you were listening to the commentary on the last restart they were talking about Busch probably gonna do a bump and pass on Edwards. He never got the chance Edwards drove off from him. If the magnets and shims had not been found pre race...?
He also drove of from the second place car and Busch on the restart before that.
As to his loose/missing oil tank lid, he got penalized, which he should have. Waiting to see what happens for the Gibbs team.
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Cloud Dancer wrote:Look, the magnet was incidental to the scheme. What the idiot did was to place a 1/4" SHIM, or "stop", between the gas pedal and floor.
Magnetized shims? Magnets? What is the difference?
All I can go by was what has been reported so far:
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Quoted directly from the article:
"During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials."
Magnets or shims, it means is that JGR cheated--and got caught. Just like MWR and jet fuel, Cousin Carl and his oil tank lid, Haas Racing and their rear spoilers.......this is getting to be a long list.
It makes me wonder how many violations they actually catch. 10% of them, 25%? If it took NASCAR 2/3 of a season to figure out why the #20 Nationwide car was so dominant, how many other violations is NASCAR missing?
It is beginning to look like everyone at NASCAR cheats--just some of them have yet to be caught.
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MFinCA wrote:Cloud Dancer wrote:Look, the magnet was incidental to the scheme. What the idiot did was to place a 1/4" SHIM, or "stop", between the gas pedal and floor.
Magnetized shims? Magnets? What is the difference?
All I can go by was what has been reported so far:
NASCAR blows the whistle on Gibbs teams
Quoted directly from the article:
"During the test, NASCAR officials discovered magnets on the accelerator pedals of the two Gibbs Toyotas. Several sources said the magnets could, in theory, keep the pedals from being fully depressed, which would limit the engines' output and distort the data available to officials."
Magnets or shims, it means is that JGR cheated--and got caught. Just like MWR and jet fuel, Cousin Carl and his oil tank lid, Haas Racing and their rear spoilers.......this is getting to be a long list.
It makes me wonder how many violations they actually catch. 10% of them, 25%? If it took NASCAR 2/3 of a season to figure out why the #20 Nationwide car was so dominant, how many other violations is NASCAR missing?
It is beginning to look like everyone at NASCAR cheats--just some of them have yet to be caught.
Wait a minute. The #20 in the Nationwide series was NOT dominant because it was cheating. It was operating within the rules, BUT Toyota outdid the other manufacturers in that they simply produced more horsepower (within the rules).
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