Larry Love
Missouri
New Member
Joined: 01/16/2008
View Profile
|
Looks like were going to be in and out of Denver alot over the next 2 weeks with the DNC. So took a short trip to Lafayette and visited earthroamer, what a unit there XP-JP jeep poptop is about as advanced as they come. The small unit contains a refrigeator,stove,water system,toilet,dinette & bedding all in a package you could drive on any 4X4 trail. The unit I saw was headed for Austrailia, right hand drive and diesel engine. This unit is just a popup on a truck permanently attached and the 56K sq ft factory is something to behold, nothing out of place and yet units being built. Construction of the unit is a composite sandwich body just like the hallmark, so back to hallmark I go to take another look.
* This post was
edited 08/19/08 09:00pm by Larry Love *
|
trails2004
Wyoming
Senior Member
Joined: 07/19/2007
View Profile
|
Hi Larry
You will be impressed by the fit and finish of a Hallmark. The customer service is second to none before and after the sale. You may not know that Earth Roamer(ER) and Hallmark share the same high end construction techniques -additionally both ER and Hallmark work with CF Maier- a leading composite manufacture.This partnership has Hallmark and ER leading the way for other camper manufactures to follow.
No other manufacture has a one piece molded carbon fiber roof- which will not tear, puncture or bleed white chalk down the sides of the camper.The new top is also compatible with Thule and other cargo systems.
Edit spell checker
* This post was
edited 08/20/08 10:26pm by trails2004 *
2002 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT 4x4-AFE Cold Air,4"Exhaust,Toyos,Ranchos,Dual Air III- Firestones 2004 Hallmark Cuchara XL 9.5 w/Carbon Fiber Roof, WFCO 9845,Xantrex XBM,Honda 2000,1997 Grumman GV19TC- Crew Wifey,(Odin,Bridger & Sam,Wirehairs)
|
Steve_in_29
29 Palms (SEMPER FI), CA 92277
Senior Member
Joined: 01/08/2004
View Profile
|
This has been covered on here before. And contrary to what hallmark's ad copy and your post would like people to believe, it isn't true.
While EarthRoamer and hallmark both outsource their shells to CF Maeir, that is where the similarity ends. The shells are NOT constructed the same. The ER uses a completely self-supporting fiberglass composite shell with NO additional interior wall framing (like a boat hull). Hallmark on the other hand has a reinforced-fiberglass outer-skin that relies on traditional wood framing for it's support.
The XV-JP is also not a permanently mounted pop-up on a truck. The shell is fully integrated into the Jeep's structure and the top simply flips open similar to some roof-top tents, though scaled up and improved with an electric winch/pulley system for operation.
Given your previous posting, would your report have been so positive if you had visited ER just a year ago, when they were still operating out of a small, cramped/cluttered building in an industrial area?
I have visited both ER's old and new production facilities, spoken at length with Bill Swails and spent quite a bit of time inspecting both of their models.
2007 F350,SC,LB,4x4,6.0/Auto,35" tires,16.5 Warn,Buckstop bumpers
2007 Outfitter Apex9.5,270W solar,SolarBoost2000e,2 H2K's,2KW inverter,2 20lb LP on slide out tray,4 Lifeline AGM bats,Tundra fridge
95 Bounder 28' ClassA sold
91 Jamboree 21' ClassC sold
|
Steve_in_29
29 Palms (SEMPER FI), CA 92277
Senior Member
Joined: 01/08/2004
View Profile
|
trails2004 wrote:...No other manufacture has a one piece molded carbon fiber roof- which will not tear, puncture or bleed white chalk down the sides of the camper.The new top is also compatible with Thule and other cargo systems. Here is an interesting bit of info posted by a new hallmark owner over on irv2.com about that roof.
Quote:It's a very nice arrangement with one major draw back however. You can only have limited weight on the back when raising the roof. No problem with the roof down or up, but raising it with that kind of weigh can cause major damage. The problem is all the torque from the motor raising the roof comes from a motor situated at the back of the queen over bed. That doesn't leave a lot of strength at the very end of the camper when the roof is being raised. As a matter of fact. Hallmark says no more than 20 pounds on the back when going up. That 20 pound allowance is about over with just considering the weight of my cargo rack and cargo box. So I have to take stuff down before raising it. That's a real pain if all you want to do is pull over and take a quick nap or must make the stop a quick sleep over in a rest area. I also kind of support it as it is going up, just to be safe.
It seems he wasn't informed of this info until AFTER the sale.
|
trails2004
Wyoming
Senior Member
Joined: 07/19/2007
View Profile
|
Steve_in_29 wrote:This has been covered on here before. And contrary to what hallmark's ad copy and your post would like people to believe, it isn't true.
They both use molded composite construction and they certainly think enough of the partnership to post pictures on theCF Maier Web site
What is that Eagles song--- Get over it
|
|
|
trails2004
Wyoming
Senior Member
Joined: 07/19/2007
View Profile
|
Interesting that you trolled this forum and you are using this post without the knowledge of the OP.
That is an all time low 
|
Steve_in_29
29 Palms (SEMPER FI), CA 92277
Senior Member
Joined: 01/08/2004
View Profile
|
trails2004 wrote:Steve_in_29 wrote:This has been covered on here before. And contrary to what hallmark's ad copy and your post would like people to believe, it isn't true.
They both use molded composite construction and they certainly think enough of the partnership to post pictures on the CF Maier Web site
What is that Eagles song--- Get over it Of course CFM is going to post pics of their work but that still doesn't mean the construction is the same. I never said they weren't made by the same company, just that they are not made the same.
They have a pic of the hallmark counter top on their site as well, so are we to assume it is exactly the same as the ER shell also? No, they are simply showing examples of the different products they are capable of producing.
A Cobalt and a Corvette are both made by Chevy but do they have the same construction and quality? No.
No matter what song you're listening to, facts are facts.
Though I find it an interesting song choice in support of a company that has had the owners son caught numerous times posting on RV.net under a fake name while trying to run down another company.
lyrics:
I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin’ ’don’t blame me’
They point their crooked little fingers at everybody else
Spend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fat
Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it
|
trails2004
Wyoming
Senior Member
Joined: 07/19/2007
View Profile
|
Steve_in_29 wrote: The ER uses a completely self-supporting fiberglass composite shell with NO additional interior wall framing (like a boat hull). Hallmark on the other hand has a reinforced-fiberglass outer-skin that relies on traditional wood framing for it's support.
Seems to me that ER uses a "molded composite laminate" which fiberglass is attached to something -right?? in this case they use honeycomb reinforcement- while Hallmark uses end grain balsa which is very strong and a lower cost.
All this is very different than pressed, glued and screwed which other manufactures use.
|
trails2004
Wyoming
Senior Member
Joined: 07/19/2007
View Profile
|
Digging up dirt- again Steve -what a shame
And thanks for the words---it seems to me that you ALWAYS feel sorry for yourself- did you get that hug
I will support any company that treats me with respect- and I will vote with my feet to companies that do not and I have-
|
Steve_in_29
29 Palms (SEMPER FI), CA 92277
Senior Member
Joined: 01/08/2004
View Profile
|
trails2004 wrote:Interesting that you trolled this forum and you are using this post without the knowledge of the OP.
That is an all time low Ah, so we are back to attacking peoples character when there aren't any facts to support your position.
Trolled? I am a member of that forum and posted truthful information, unlike someone that among other things posted falsehoods about another persons supposed need for an upgraded truck (ring any bells?). I also noticed you didn't get that persons permission prior to posting the info as you seem to think is so important here.
Since when is permission needed to quote a posting made on a public forum anyways? I didn't change the intent or wording of what he posted in any way. Unlike your's on irv2.
* This post was
edited 08/21/08 12:15am by Steve_in_29 *
|
|
|
