MPD56
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An example and to also have the experts here confirm if I’m on the right track. I have a 2008 F350 PSD SRW 4x4 CC and I pull a 2008 313RKS Jayco. On the door sticker of my truck it states that my truck and trailer GCWR is 23,000 pounds and my truck GCWR is 11,400 pounds with a load capacity of 3,223 pounds. So last week I checked and found a CAT Scale near Grayling Michigan that I would be going by on a trip and I stopped to get the real weights. In the truck was the DW and I (400 lbs + -) with 15 gallons of fuel and the 5th wheel was packed for a week, which also had 46 gallons of fresh water.
Jayco Brochure Weights
Shipping Weight - 10,120 lbs
Carrying Capacity - 2880 lbs
Hitch - 2440 lbs
Length 34' 10"
Trailer Actual Weights
Weight - 11,360 lbs
Hitch - 2740 lbs
Length 34' 10"
Truck Alone Weights
Steer Axle - 5,180 lbs
Drive Axle - 3,700 lbs
Gross Weight - 8,880 lbs
Truck & Trailer Weight
Steer Axle - 5,180 lbs
Drive Axle - 6,440 lbs
Trailer Axle - 8,620 lbs
Gross Weight - 20,240 lbs
So If someone could please tell me why my steer axle weight didn’t change, my Husky hitch must not be 1” ahead of the rear axle? is this OK or should I have the Dealer (installer) move the hitch ahead. Also I believe that I’m not over loaded, but close. The fresh water tank is ahead of the axles, which weights close to 500 lbs and I think if I travel empty it would take most of that weight off the pin. I’m getting 10 MPG on the highway towing and 18mpg empty at 67mph. IT seems to handle well and it’s not like I’m going to tell the DW that I need a bigger truck, anyway. Thanks in advance….MPD56
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Rvndave
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Looks to me like a full tank of fuel and you will be overloaded.
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longtrailer48
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You're fine, but I am curious why your truck weighs empty about a 1000 lbs heavier than mine?
1" ahead of rear axle on the hitch is to make sure it's not behind the axle. Centered or ahead rides, pulls and back properly.
I think your setup would be a dream ride and drive. Have fun!
-Jeff
2000 F350 4X4 7.3PSD CC SB SRW Superglide 18K 4" Flowmaster K&N Garrett Turbo Pwr Chp 8-21 MPG
2008 WW FTL4005+5 5th Wheel Toyhauler 48'x102"x13'-6" 3 slides
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MPD56
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Thanks for your reply: In your profile you have a 2000, I think that’s why, the 2008 have a new heavier frame for one. The hitch installation instructions calls for it to be 1” ahead of the rear axle, so If it was, wouldn’t it put some of the pin weight on the steer axle and on center, it wouldn’t change (which I see with mine) and behind it would take weight off the steer axle. That’s how I see it, but then again that’s why I asked.
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SemperFiCop
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It appears that You are over Your GVWR
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at or near Your Payload Rating...
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no_bytes
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MPD56,
2008 SuperDuty Towing Guide
According to the above guide (4x4, 3.73 gears, Auto Tranny, SRW) for a 5er, 6.4 PSD.
GCWR 23,000#
Trailer weight 15,200#
You are within the recommended weights.
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mhoefer
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He is not over the any weights, well within GCWR and truck and trailer GVW. Good thing he gots a F350. Thats what they are for.
I would look to moving your hitch forward 1 inch. Would put a little extra weight on the steering axle and balance the ride. Seems it would sit nose high, does it?
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MPD56
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Thanks for all the replies: I know (think) from the tow guide that I can tow a 5th wheel up to 15,200 lbs, the truck and trailer combined can’t weigh over 23,00 lbs, the truck alone with the 5th wheel hitched up can’t weigh more then 11,400 lbs. I think that the weight I am close to is the 11,400 lbs, with the hitch weight being 2,700 lbs and I’m sure I could lighten up that by packing a little different. As far as the hitch, that’s why I paid a professional to install it right and I’m going to measure it today. The front hood of the truck stays at the same height, next trip I’m going to check. The back of the truck goes down about 3” and again I’m going to check that. I’m thinking because the steer axle weight doesn’t change, the hood shouldn’t, when I’m hooked up the truck and trailer, they are level and I don’t see a problem. This is my first 5th wheel and my first diesel, so that is why I want to confirm all of this, the F350 was $800.00 more, so I decided that it was worth getting for the extra load capacity. I eat up all the valuable information on the forum daily (I cancelled the newspaper LOL). To tell you the truth, I wouldn’t know the trailer was behind if it wasn’t for the DW looking in the mirror and saying “Oh my god, that’s big”. Thanks again and if you have any input, please reply…..MPD56
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DSteiner51
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Why no more weight on the front axle? If you are 1" in front of the rear axle with say 150" wheelbase that would add 1/150 of the pin weight to the steering axle. Not enough for the CAT scales. Your pin is possibly also around 45" above ground with approx 40" to hitch pivot. A slight pull or push on the hitch pin would change the weight on the steering axle much quicker, ex: 40/150 of each lb of pull or push. Which is why some have reported a slight loss on the steering axle even with the pin in front of the axle.
To calculate how much of that 500lbs of water goes on the pin measure center of water tank to center pivot of trailer axles, then measure hitch pin to center pivot of axles. Ex: Center of trailer axles to center of water tank 30". Hitch pin to center of trailer axles 220" would give you 30/220 of the 500lbs. or approx 68lbs to hitch pin.
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edited 08/26/08 03:41pm by DSteiner51 *
D. Steiner
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MPD56
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Dsteiner51: Thank you I didn’t think of that, but with the truck not moving on the scale, I didn’t think it would effect the weight. But I did think that the slack in the hitch would cause something. While I unhooked the trailer to do the second pass with just the truck, the DW went into the store and bought a coffee, the DW didn’t want to get weighed LOL, Oh!! the look when I asked her to put the coffee on the curb and get into the truck for the second pass, so the second weight was with a coffee. Been with her of over 30 years and have learned “Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy” LOL..
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