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Fast Mopar
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Keith99RS wrote:Rear axle rating is not the payload rating. Which are you using?
Maybe he was using the Tundra tailgate weight rating.
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Unfortunately Mav,
EVERY Wa st LEO in the weights and measures division has stated, the tire capacity is based on width with up to 20 K lbs per axel, be it commercial or passenger. This includes 3 different class's I have taken taught be CVEO's. Tow ratings are not followable either! I have an old truck that is rated at -100 lbs! GCWR is 8500, gvwr is 8600 lbs. Still have not figured that one out!
The two LEO's with weights and measures backgrounds that post here, have not said the tire ratings are applicable from what I recall either.
I do not know of too many that will recommend you go over those amounts, but to flat out state it is illegal with out backing it up, not sure that is right either! I know what I get here in Washington, that is my paid for license. If that is LESS than my GVW, I'm screwed! Most states I believe will allow you to go down the road up to your paid for license, beyond that, not matter the fed or max state law, you toast!
Now whether or not the OP is safe, or sane or good to go. That is not my call. That is up to the local enforcement folks that know the local laws.
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American Made wrote:As a previous 3/4 ton Dodge owner, I thought I'd leave the bad experiences behind me, so I bought the made in Texas Tundra. I was worried that my trailer might be a bit big for a puny 1/2 ton. I was wrong.
I have a 34 ft 5th wheel which is about 10,000 lbs empty and loaded up is 12 K with fifth wheel hitch, generator, gas, tools, etc in the truck box.
Holy exaggerated troller weight capacities, Batman.
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outbackpacker wrote:They're all mad that their truck manufacturers couldn't cut it as a business that helps America like Toyota which employs thousands of Americans. Instead their manufacturers (with the exception of Ford) had to take our hard earned tax money to support their poorly run business and warranties hurting every American here and abroad. If they got a Toyota they wouldn't have needed to subsidize the warranties.
Ford can be included in being irresponsible by hiring too many people and now having laid off thousands of Americans, those people will not be able to pay their mortgages, they will be consuming an already dwindling unemployment fund.
More and more I think this is a troll...name is "American Made" yet their first post is about a Toyota?
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All my research showed the Tundra having the highest North American content.
Although, this truck suited my needs better than any of the competition, so it was simply nice to see that not only am I getting the best vehicle for my personal needs, but I'm also getting the one with fewest components shipped from CHINA.
Except for the 5,000 or so miles a year spent towing my trailer, this truck needs to serve me as commuting vehicle to work, offroad vehicle for hunting, and general hauling stuff around. It is perfectly acceptable in all these respects.
I would not attempt to haul this trailer with any other 1/2 ton offering. But with many of the Toyota components being 3/4 and 1 ton quality (eg differential, rear axle, front wheel bearings, frame, etc) and the ability to stiffen up the suspension with bags and also put on 10 ply tires, I decided to give this truck a try. So far, I'm glad I did. 
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American Made wrote:All my research showed the Tundra having the highest North American content.
Per the article I posted earlier in this thread, the Silverado is higher.
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Keith99RS wrote:Rear axle rating is not the payload rating. Which are you using?
Would you care to clarify upon what basis rear axle rating is arrived And don't say "it's written on the door sticker" because that is the final result, not the basis for the rating.
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American Made wrote:Keith99RS wrote:Rear axle rating is not the payload rating. Which are you using?
Would you care to clarify upon what basis rear axle rating is arrived And don't say "it's written on the door sticker" because that is the final result, not the basis for the rating.
That would be the one I am referring to unless you can find me where you got your info on the Tundra having a 3/4-1 ton axle that is equivelent to a 25/2500 or better truck. There is more to a rear axle than the diff having a 10inch ring gear. If I add the axle ratings on my Titan I come out with a higher number than the posted Max. GVWR. That is what I was getting at. I was a little bit on your side, but now not so much.
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MadMav wrote:Marty, I'm surprised you are saying that being a mod with lots of time on here. This has been discussed on here multiple times, and every LEO, court case and conversation I have read/experianced and researched, with many links to laws and ordinances, that state that tire and axle ratings are the only "legally" binding limit for towing in a non-commercial vehicle. I could care less about towing commercial, and GVWR and GCWR, but if you get pulled over and you exceed tire and axle ratings, your probably screwed.
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Mav....No offense, but Marty is right on here. While I respect your concerns over the particular rig in question here... Your statements about this being 'illegal'....Well, its just wrong, plain and simple.
DOT folks (at least in the USA, dont know 'bout Canada) really do not give a rats posterior end if you are within ANY of the weight ratings of your actual vehicle - GVWR, GAWR, GCWR....any of them. All they care about, is if you are within the limits specified by your license and/or tags, and within the legal limits of the road in question. Thats ALL they care about, and is all they will give you a ticket for. Marty's experiences confirms this.
Now, if you were grossly over to the point where a rig looks very unsafe (like in the case of that crazy picture that went around of a big 5er bolted to the back tailgate of a S10 blazer), I can see a LEO stopping you and giving you some kind of ticket or warning. I don't believe the rig in question here fits that description, though.
Perhaps part of the problem is, we are confusing 'legal liability' with 'illegal'. A rig like is mentioned here is almost certainly NOT illegal to operate, but operating it DOES raise a serious question of legal liability. Should the owner ever get into an accident and hurt someone in the process, the fact they are clearly over numerous rated limits of the vehicle, is definitely something an opposing lawyer would have a 'field day' with, if there was any civil case brought up.
Anyway, flame on, thats all I'll say on this.
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Capt Skup
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"many of the Toyota components being 3/4 and 1 ton quality (eg differential, rear axle, front wheel bearings, frame, etc)"
Which ones? Have you actually compared the Tundra component to component with 3/4 and 1-ton trucks? I am not sure about Dodge or GM, but you ought to crawl under a new SuperDuty and then your Toyota. If you still say they are the same, please reframe from driving until you visit your optician. And I think the Tundra is a fine truck for it's intended market and purpose, just not the truck for towing a 12,000lb fifth wheel.
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