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creeper wrote:wp6529 wrote:
Clearly you know little beyond cosmetics and the cult of Apple "experience" appeals to you. That is fine, spend your money on whatever feels good to you, just don't try to claim that it is the best and everything else is junk.
Clearly Apple makes a good product. People enjoying a good product doesn't make it a cult. There is many more people who are enthusiastic about the PC, yet you don't see us Mac people calling it the Cult of windows or fanatics. There is really no place for that.
Clearly everything else is not junk. Is there a lot of junk PC, absolutely, but there are some very good offerings as well.
Quote:As for others not making better hardware, I work in IT for a very large company, and among our many tens of thousands of computer systems around the world, I have yet to find a single Apple product. This is mission critical servers, perhaps there are a few Macs on desktops in some advertising department.
Apple has a smaller foot print in Business, but it's growing. It's not an oddity that you wouldn't come across any Apple products. iPhones and Apple servers are making inroads.
The company supports Blackberries. Apple servers are nowhere near making inroads in the mission critical enterprise space. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is making inroads, however it is run on real enterprise class hardware from IBM, HP, etc.
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J Walker wrote:I will venture into the thread and state that I have been using ThinkPads exclusively for about ten years and I find no Windows issues, or nearly no issues. Windows 98 was a dog I admit, but my ThinkPads with Windows 2000 and XP have no OS issues. With four ThinkPads running, that is quite a bit of experience. ThinkPads are near the higher end of PC laptops and maybe that has something to do with my good experience. Maybe IBM and now Lenovo load the OS better than some, I don't know. An answer to an earlier comment that Apple computers appear in many movies, I agree but when a brand appears in a conspicuous way in a movie or perhaps TV the manufacturer pays for it. I feel buying an Apple computer and requiring a dual boot to run all your programs is not a good solution.
It's not just Thinkpads. My company laptop is replaced every few years, and is always a middle of the lineup $750 or so machine. I've had Compaq, Dell, Thinkpad, etc. and have not had any problems with any of them other than one failed LCD display. My personal Windows machines have been Compaq and HP laptops, some surplus Dell desktops, and a number of desktop type machines I built myself for specific applications and I've had no problems with any of them.
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dfb wrote:Happytraveler wrote:dfb wrote:All one has to do is look at the Quality of the ipods, iphones and it just follows, their Puters... Top Shelf! I don't mind paying more for Quality, but NEVER EVER SELL ME JUNK, because in the end, Junk is junk...I really don't think anyone makes better hardware than APPLE... PERIOD...Lately, it seems nearly every movie we see someone is using a MAC computer...I think most folks are seeing an alternative and their market share continues to increase...Most of us using are "switchers"..
Fox News uses Macs. 
FOX ROX!!
Wow, home of the clowns like Glenn Beck. I am sure Steve Jobs would not brag about Faux News using Macs.
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8.1 Van wrote:dfb wrote:Happytraveler wrote:dfb wrote:All one has to do is look at the Quality of the ipods, iphones and it just follows, their Puters... Top Shelf! I don't mind paying more for Quality, but NEVER EVER SELL ME JUNK, because in the end, Junk is junk...I really don't think anyone makes better hardware than APPLE... PERIOD...Lately, it seems nearly every movie we see someone is using a MAC computer...I think most folks are seeing an alternative and their market share continues to increase...Most of us using are "switchers"..
Fox News uses Macs.
FOX ROX!!
Wow, home of the clowns like Glenn Beck. I am sure Steve Jobs would not brag about Faux News using Macs.
I'm a happy camper with my Glenn Beck show and my Mac.... Life is great!
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Your first problem was going to Best Buy.
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jrdbrn wrote:Your first problem was going to Best Buy.
I hate Worst buy, but to see that variety of machines leave few options..
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wp6529 wrote:
Also realize that in reality it is a Mac UI shell on BSD Unix, not an actual Mac OS which ended pre OSX.
I think Mac user are well aware that OS X is based on Unix, that's the strengh of. That's why I always laugh when "some" Windows users say they hate Apple because it's so proprietary.
But, then again I wasn't concerned with OSes, I was merely looking at build quality.
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I want to put my 2 cents worth on the $300 laptops. I have two children in college. I purchased, through Amazon, a $300 Acer Netbook for each of them. These netbooks have Windows XP, very small screen, 1 gig memory. I also loaded OpenOffice for word processing.
It has been 4 months now, and this what they say....
"Love it, the best thing you could have got me..."
"Wow, I can't believe how long I can run it on batteries"
"It is so light."
"I put it in my backpack with my books, and it is holding up well"
Note: When they arrived, I was surprised at how sturdy they were. When closed up, it is very tight and solid. The outer case is not soft.
So IMHO, there are $300 laptops out there which are worth the money for specific users.
Now would I like the small screen? Not if I was using it all the time...but if that were the case, I would hook it up to a monitor, add a wireless keyboard and mouse, just like I have with my $2,000 laptop which has a nice monitor, and a keyboard with a bit more room.
And you know, when I pushed the "on" button simultaneous on both a netbook with Windows XP and my Windows Vista Ultimate which has 2 gigs memory, the netbook came up way faster than the Vista.
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creeper wrote:
This is not a my OS is better then your OS thread. 
Kinda wandering how this part of the post was missed ???? lol
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J Walker wrote: I feel buying an Apple computer and requiring a dual boot to run all your programs is not a good solution.
A Mac can run all three operating systems: Mac OS, Windows and Linux as well as virtually all popular, business, graphics and creative programs. Most run native.
It is always wise to purchase a computer based on the type of tasks to be done and software the user needs. If the student is in the humanities you might not need the fastest box with the latest, super memory chips. If, however, the student is in science, mathematics or the arts you might want to research capacity and speed.
Many a parent has purchased an inexpensive computer for a college student only to find out that the processors and OS were not capable of functioning in the environment in which the machine was to be used. (See info below and trying to not get too technical.) 
wp6529 wrote: I'll stick with *Windows* on most of my PCs, and on rare occasion some Unix varient on one of my PCs. I'm quite confident that a few years down the road, you'll be happily running your beloved Mac OS on a PC as well.
Could be. However, I doubt it. It is all about the software and excellent components. That is why to me, it doesn’t pay to purchase a cheap machine case in which sub-par components have been used to make it so cheap.
Additionally, Macs come with everything for plug and play and are very user-friendly. Unlike PCs where one always has to purchase something else. In the end, the difference in cost is negligible.
Quote: Try running something like Mach3 on your Mac.
Er, Mac OS X is based on a heavily modified Mach 3 kernel. Although Mac does not maintain the microkernel structure of Mach.
Mach3 had huge performance problems!
The Mach kernel was intended to replace UNIX. Unfortunately, 1997 benchmarks on hardware indicated that Mach 3.0-based UNIX single-server implementations were approximately fifty percent (50%) slower than native UNIX.
A call on the BSD kernel on a 486DX-50 required approx. 20 microseconds, whereas the same call running Mach 3 required 114 ms. That is a bit of a difference.
Additionally, there were memory handling problems when physical memory was low.
The Microsoft Windows kernel is notorious for security problems and very slow plugs.
Quote: Also realize that PC and Windows are not the same thing, PC is a hardware platform, Windows is an operating system.
Cute. 
A cheap PC with the latest Windows is still not going to work as well or as fast as a more expensive machine. Certainly benchmark trials show that.
Quote: Also realize that in reality it is a Mac UI shell on BSD Unix, not an actual Mac OS which ended pre OSX.
Unix happens to have been my specialty and that is precisely why I feel the Mac OS is superior to any Windows OS. Mac can run all *nix* based systems, native, with few of the typical security issues of Windows.
Many if not most users of Adobe programs have Macs. Many scientists use Macs. Many gamers use PCs. I am probably the only person on the planet who has never played a computer game for longer than the testing 10 minutes.
BTW, everyone knows that Microsoft, because the Mac OS is so cool and superior, has spent years copying everything that Mac has put out.
I like things that last.
As such, I have several Macs, both desk tops and notebooks, that are a decade old and still going strong. I also have the latest and greatest, being an early adopter. I’ll check out the “new” Windows OS to see what they have copied from Apple this time.
Macs also hold their resale value. I have purchased several used and refurbished laptops. One is 10 years old and still works great.
It all depends on what matters to you. I want a super reliable, secure computer, cool box, even cooler OS, ease of use interface with scientific and creative software running natively.
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