btggraphix
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BradW wrote:..... What Ford needs is a CAT MOTOR!
Or Detroit, or Cummins.
Just get an F650  (At least I think CAT was an option...or maybe that (was) the GMC6500.)
Too bad they are wimping out the F450 - but I would always have gotten the cab/chassis anyway so as long as those haven't changed....
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I'm partial to the 7.3 engine and when Ford went to the 6.0 and then the 6.4 I decided I had what I considered to be a great setup and wasn't interested in their newer offerings. The styling of the current (and 2011) Super Duty trucks is hideous (IMHO) to the point that I would quite simply not buy a new Ford.
When you factor in the pricing of new trucks, the untested (by the masses) Ford designed Diesel engine, and the EPA emissions *ull*hit, it makes me even more content with what I've got.
When I bought my truck it was my daily driver and once I made the decision to make it last, it only gets used to tow or haul something big and/or heavy. At the rate I'm (not) using it, it may very well be the last truck I buy.
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Without entering into the mud slinging, I happen to own a 2008 F-450, 6.4 diesel, and we are very happy with it. The engine has had very few problems and it really is quiet for a diesel. Looks goods, too.
Today I used that truck to do chores around the farm that a contractor would have charged me $1000. With that saving we will tour DC and all of the museums over the holidays.
I had two minor problems on a long road trip out west in Sept. The two Ford dealers gave me wonderful fast service, in fact I wrote them letters of appreciation. One was a rock in the brakes and the other was a faulty exhaust sensor which was under warranty.
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BradW
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btggraphix wrote:BradW wrote:..... What Ford needs is a CAT MOTOR!
Or Detroit, or Cummins.....
Yep, those would work too. 
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AllenF
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Ford has had a lot of IH hands on experience. They have BETA tested their engines and know where strong and weak points are. One of the biggest issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 is repair ease. These engines are not mechanic friendly. You have to disassemble a lot of it just to get to the offending parts. This adds a huge cost to the repair which ticks off customers no end as you can imagine. I bet the FORD 6.7L will be far more reliable and easier to work on as well. This will keep warranty costs in check and also restore truck customers confidence.
Ford has been on a crusade to improve their overall quality and it is paying off in spades. They posted nearly a Billion dollar 3rd quarter profit. I am glad to see that they are moving in the best direction. I love their products, just not the looks of this truck. IMO Ford has made the best overall truck package and they seem to be determined to make it even better.
IMO the last thing Ford needs to do is jump ship on IH and land in the same type of situation with CAT or Detroit Diesel. They made the right choice. If you can do it better in house then by all means do it. GM learned that they could not after many failed attempts. Even with their new Isuzu partner there were issues.
I bet Ford will have far less issues and this will be a good if not great engine. I still would never buy the first year out unless Ford ponies up with an extended warranty like GM had to do with their Duramax issues.
I know the trans should be fine and the bodies are the best. If Ford does knock this engine out of the park they will be grabbing market share back by the fists full. They are still numero uno in truck sales. With a killer engine they will return to owning 2/3rds of the truck market again.
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BradW
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AllenF wrote:Ford has had a lot of IH hands on experience. They have BETA tested their engines and know where strong and weak points are. One of the biggest issues with the 6.0 and 6.4 is repair ease. These engines are not mechanic friendly. You have to disassemble a lot of it just to get to the offending parts. This adds a huge cost to the repair which ticks off customers no end as you can imagine. I bet the FORD 6.7L will be far more reliable and easier to work on as well. This will keep warranty costs in check and also restore truck customers confidence.
Ford has been on a crusade to improve their overall quality and it is paying off in spades. They posted nearly a Billion dollar 3rd quarter profit. I am glad to see that they are moving in the best direction. I love their products, just not the looks of this truck. IMO Ford has made the best overall truck package and they seem to be determined to make it even better.
IMO the last thing Ford needs to do is jump ship on IH and land in the same type of situation with CAT or Detroit Diesel. They made the right choice. If you can do it better in house then by all means do it. GM learned that they could not after many failed attempts. Even with their new Isuzu partner there were issues.
I bet Ford will have far less issues and this will be a good if not great engine. I still would never buy the first year out unless Ford ponies up with an extended warranty like GM had to do with their Duramax issues.
I know the trans should be fine and the bodies are the best. If Ford does knock this engine out of the park they will be grabbing market share back by the fists full. They are still numero uno in truck sales. With a killer engine they will return to owning 2/3rds of the truck market again.
This is a good example of why I say sarcasm doesn't work well on Internet forums. People read a sarcastic post and think you really mean it.
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AllenF wrote:
Long story short, Our 2005 has more power than I need, I don't need to be concerned with ultra low sulfur fuel requirements and the fuel economy is very good. Yes it is a bit noisy but it is quieter than a Cummins of the same year.
Now as for the looks dept. IMO it, our 2005, is the best interior and exterior Ford ever offered and IMO of the big 3 as well. So I guess I will keep my money in my pocket and enjoy what I think is the best all around truck EVER made. I bought it to do a job and it it does it about as good as I could hope for. 53,000 plus miles and going strong. Hauls our 5000lb TC in all temps from -9*f to +120*f and never plugged in. Very roomy and comfortable. What more could one ask for?
Should it turn into a pain, like everything else I own that might, it will be kicked to the curb and replaced with what makes sense for me and mine at the time. Until then I worry mostly about the economy. The truck is nearly flawless and more than I ever hoped for.
How's that for being satisfied?
Well said ! I love my 2005 , it's been an excellent, comfortable, and dependable truck.
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AllenF
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BradW wrote:
This is a good example of why I say sarcasm doesn't work well on Internet forums. People read a sarcastic post and think you really mean it.
Brad you, of all people, should know when you are pushing it.
I meant EVERY word I said and am sure Ford is not one to want to go from one bad situation to another. IH has along with Ford worked the kinks out of the 6.0L and had even less to work out with the 6.4L.
This engine is very stable and while there is room for improvement had the past not have been so volatile between IH and Ford I bet their relationship would have continued.
Alas Ford was pushed to the point of going it alone. Alan Mulally(sp?)
is/has pulled Ford from the edge that GM and Chrysler have fallen over. I have owned 3 new Ford products in the past 5 years. All are the best I have EVER had. I ALWAYS do my homework before I spend a dime. Ford has focused on quality and feature set to go head to head with ANYONE. They are beating their competition where they are competing with them. I have ZERO doubt that this engine will be be good. I also recognize that the first year will have some hiccups. Like ALL new engines do. I also think these will be, mostly if not all, minor hiccups.
Ford has learned the hard way what it truly costs to offer an amazing in house truck with a questionable out sourced engine. They have struggled to get that outsourced engine to meet their high standards. When it came down to blows Ford said why are we pounding our head against the wall? Can we do it better with absolute control? There is a reason why Toyota accepted diesel technology from Ford to offset any patent issues that might arise with Fords independent design of hybrid technology. Toyota would not have accepted if Ford was a joke.
Today's auto climate in the USA is much different than back when GM offered their lame, warmed over, gas engine that ran on diesel. Ford knows how important this engine needs to be right and strong. It is more than selling diesels it is tied to the whole Ford truck line's reputation.
But I have to admit that the design of the looks of this truck is a total puzzlement to me. One thing is certain it will most likely not be copied and it will certainly stand out in a crowd. 
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