thecampingman
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NC Hauler wrote:
Bottom line, the MS the original poster is talking about, at the very least is in Dually territory...more into the MDT range...again, just plain old common sense and basic math should point in that direction.
All I'm suggesting is to take the truck to an expert at a truck spring&frame shop.
Even if the truck needed a dualy package, exhaust brake, & transmission cooler it could still be cheaper than trading trucks.
It's like the difference in trying to find a suit that fits off-the-rack, or going to a tailor.
Except in this case he already owns a "suit".
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I do believe that the 3500 Dodge is rated as a 1 ton unit. I agree that the MS is a very heavy trailer but at least give the truck credit for what it is. The 2500 is refereed to as a 3/4 ton (rated 9000#) while the 3500 is the 1 ton (rated 9900#) and the actual only difference is the extra overload leaf in the rear spring pack between the two other than the door sticker. But yes I do agree the Mobile Suites will be too heavy for the Dodge truck. As far as the Ford better look at the F-450 not the F-350 at least at that weight level.
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NC Hauler
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thecampingman wrote:NC Hauler wrote:
Bottom line, the MS the original poster is talking about, at the very least is in Dually territory...more into the MDT range...again, just plain old common sense and basic math should point in that direction.
All I'm suggesting is to take the truck to an expert at a truck spring&frame shop.
Even if the truck needed a dualy package, exhaust brake, & transmission cooler it could still be cheaper than trading trucks.
It's like the difference in trying to find a suit that fits off-the-rack, or going to a tailor.
Except in this case he already owns a "suit".
Wouldn't surprise me one bit, if you take a 2500HD, that has already "been made into a 3500 1 ton SRW"..orignial ops. words, not mine...NOW he's going to sink even more money into trying to make it into a dually...with how much warrantee?, expert or not doing it??? Don't know if it would be cheaper than a new one or not...
"It's like the difference in trying to find a suit that fits off-the-rack, or going to a tailor.
Except in this case he already owns a "suit".
or it's like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear...No doubt...once again, for the umpteenth time, the Cummins can do it...it's the REST OF THE TRUCK that your going to be dropping 3200-3400# of pinweight, or more into the bed of the truck...we're talking a 17,000# GVW 5er...what part of that do some not understand in here. My dually has a lot of power, I tow in the mountains, most I've had my 5er loaded to is around 15,000#..I hate to admit this..but I DO KNOW it's back there, and having towed it to my home with a 3500SRW and having towed it the rest of the time with a dually....sorry, no comparison when it comes to stability, whether some want to hear that or not..Why push the limits of ones truck?? Why gamble with your families welfare or your personal property..I don't know, guess I just don't get using the wrong truck to match the up with a particular 5er...I'll also say, ONE MORE TIME, visit some of the websites of Carriage, Mobile Suites, Teton Homes, some of these 5er's that weigh 17,000 and up...the majority of the people who tow these, tow them with MDT, some with HDT. Gotta mean something, experience at times, speaks volumes...
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nemo45
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Here is what I know about the difference between a Dodge 3500 SRW and DRW. The only difference is the amout of weight that the two extra tires can carry. The drive train, brakes and springs are exactly the same. This difference can be made up for by going to 10 ply tires on the SRW. There may be, also, a difference in stability because of the wider stance. However I would suggest that a fifthwheel as heavy as that MS, with what will be its actual pinweight loaded, would be too heavy for any 350 or 3500 DRW and that an MDT is what is needed. And whatever I towed it with would have to have an exhaust brake.
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nemo45 wrote:This difference can be made up for by going to 10 ply tires on the SRW.
SRW 3500s and most 2500s have E rated 10 ply's already.
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JIMNLIN
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The rear hyd brake pistons are a larger diameter in the DRW truck. Brakes are matched to a trucks GAWR's. The DRW truck has a 9750 this year vs a 6750 for a SRW truck. The SRW is closer to a 2500 truck specs than the DRW truck.
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donhov wrote:I do believe that the 3500 Dodge is rated as a 1 ton unit. I agree that the MS is a very heavy trailer but at least give the truck credit for what it is. The 2500 is refereed to as a 3/4 ton (rated 9000#) while the 3500 is the 1 ton (rated 9900#) and the actual only difference is the extra overload leaf in the rear spring pack between the two other than the door sticker. But yes I do agree the Mobile Suites will be too heavy for the Dodge truck. As far as the Ford better look at the F-450 not the F-350 at least at that weight level.
Just read your post and looked at your Sig. I shouldn't have to ask but you have the 2500, right? Well my sticker has a 12,200 and payload of 4,830 which would cover most pin #ers for the MS. I would agree that the 23,000 would not be enough unless the OP carried less weight than the 4,800 lbs of allowed CCC. If he carried a mere 2,500 lbs he would be within the 23,000 GCWR.
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We drive a Chevy 2500HD Duramax/Allison with 265 tires and air bags on the rear axle. Makes a nice rig for towing our 10,000 Arctic Fox 5ver; barely adequate for the typical 14,000# 30' 5ver.
IMHO, towing a larger & heavier 5ver with a SRW pickup (3/4 or 1-ton makes no difference) is no better than the bloke that tows a 10,000# 34' TT with his 1/2-ton.
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Why don't we all just forget about manufacturers ratings and buy a Yugo, sut down the back, mount a 5er hitch. But we MUST add air bags, HD springs, go up a load renage on the tires and then hit the open road.
By the same token, airline pilots can jsut forget the air chassis load limits, load up all the seats, cargo bays and full fuel...heck it just might make it off the ground...and if it doesn't you won't have to worry about anything except your funeral.
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gpshemi
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Wait...I'm not sure we're comparing apples to apples. Does the Yugo have a CTD in it?
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