v10superduty
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Not wanting to start a union bashing here BUT appears to me that the dissidents have a better ear of the workers than the leadership?
quote from Keith on other post--
"The only hiccup I see when I read an article is the UAW refusing to budge on concessions to bring their labor costs a little more in line with GM and Chrysler. Surely even they must see that Ford is not out of the woods yet? A few profitable quarters does not mean they are home free and business can get back to where it was 5 years ago. Sometimes I wonder if the Unions actually think of the good of the company to keep their constituients jobs or just lining their pockets and taking all they can get. One would think a lesson as learned from the collapse of GM and Chrysler."
The leaders--Gettlinger??? & King had a deal made with Ford to bring them to parity with GM & Chrysler so I think they were focusing on the big picture- stability & profitability for Ford who even with the same labour pkg as GM/Chrsler/Fiat are still at a disadvantage due to not having their debt forgiven & passed on to the US residents.
Profitability would have in the long run brought more jobs and stability to the workers future, seems the leaders saw this BUT could not convey this info to the members so the dissidents were heard instead & voted down the deal their leadership had put together?
This will get nasty now even though Ford claimed to have had a better relationship with the UAW than the other 2....
With the CAW in Canda giving Ford parity with GM/FIAT possibly they will be rewarded with some of the new stuff that was to go to Michigan?
WHY can't these guys see this???? Ford shows a profit and they forget about the over 50 Billion lost in the last couple years & totally reject a common sense deal.
Not good for either Ford or the UAW workers!!
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Without the details we cant know the stumbling block,was it the 'no strike clause' for 6 years?
Keep in mind this the 3-4 th time since 2007 the companies have asked for and got major give backs.
What was the straw that broke the back?
The Canadian union just voted 83%in favour of a new contract ,but we dont know how they compare yet.
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Canadian union don't have to negotiate Health Care for one thing. I don't work at ford but do respect there decision.
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White collar exec's shouldn't be allowed a bonus unless the company makes a profit. Even then it should be limited to a percentage, not multipile, of base pay.
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Peg Leg wrote:White collar exec's shouldn't be allowed a bonus unless the company makes a profit. Even then it should be limited to a percentage, not multipile, of base pay.
Remember this the next time you expect a bonus or a raise and you don't get what you want. This is the USA. Last I checked we are free to make what we want and should not be penalized or told otherwise. If the CEO's get overpaid and the company falls it is on the managment of the comapny for the failure. If you do not like the way the white collar people are paid or compesated where you work feel free to quit and get employment elsewhere. There is way too much negativity from people hating people because of what they earn. Like it or not, someone paid them that wage. Quit whining and do your won job to the best of your ability and hopefully you will be rewarded for it. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of "he or she makes more than me and they need to give some to me". If you wish to see some truly overpaid white collar workers look no further than your Senators and Congressmen. They get better pay, medical and retirement benefits than soldiers who sacrifice far more.
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Peg Leg wrote:White collar exec's shouldn't be allowed a bonus unless the company makes a profit. Even then it should be limited to a percentage, not multipile, of base pay.
I happen to agree but ONLY if the shareholders in the company do it. Too often people think the government should regulate this and that I will never agree with.
Yes it's reprehensible the amount of money some of these white collar criminals make but government regulation isn't the way to fix the problem. The SHAREHOLDERS need to get active and demand that it stop.
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Here's my take on the Ford/UAW. Maybe the time for Ford has come when it's time to lead by example. Ford wants their hourly workers to work for the same pay and benefits as those dictated by the bankrupt GM and Government. You have to remember Ford hourly has already given back more than once to help the company. Our Government has told GM's CEO and top officials what an acceptable salary and bonus will be. Maybe if the Ford CEO and top officials would say we will work under the same scale as GM's top officials the hourly would feel like giving a little more also. Do you remember during the hearings and one of the congress asking Ford's Alan Mulally if he would be willing to work for a dollar same as they ask of GM's Wagner and Chrysler's Nardelli. Alan Mulally's answer was "no I think I'm good". Had Alan agreed to less pay and bonus today's third quarter report might have been over a Billion dollars instead of just under.
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deereone wrote:Here's my take on the Ford/UAW. Maybe the time for Ford has come when it's time to lead by example. Ford wants their hourly workers to work for the same pay and benefits as those dictated by the bankrupt GM and Government. You have to remember Ford hourly has already given back more than once to help the company. Our Government has told GM's CEO and top officials what an acceptable salary and bonus will be. Maybe if the Ford CEO and top officials would say we will work under the same scale as GM's top officials the hourly would feel like giving a little more also. Do you remember during the hearings and one of the congress asking Ford's Alan Mulally if he would be willing to work for a dollar same as they ask of GM's Wagner and Chrysler's Nardelli. Alan Mulally's answer was "no I think I'm good". Had Alan agreed to less pay and bonus today's third quarter report might have been over a Billion dollars instead of just under.
My take on this would be that IF Ford had not hired Mulally (who had no auto experience) they probably would be where GM/Fiat are now so I think whatever he is paid is a good deal for the stockholders of Ford--
This guy had the vision to look outside the office walls at what was happening and be pro-active early and get ready for the economic meltdown before it hit. I for one think he is earning his pay!
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Not sure how long this thread will go, but them union folks better look a bit north of me in Everett washington, if they want to see what happens if they do not negotiate to a point............Boeing moved the 787 line out of everett to S Caralina where they do not have to deal with a union, lower wages etc. While at least the line stays in the US, unlike some manufactures moving lines to other countries. This hurts me, as some of my customers are Boeing workers........
Either way, things right now are not good for either side you may be on! union or non union or management we are all screwed!
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v10superduty wrote:deereone wrote:Here's my take on the Ford/UAW. Maybe the time for Ford has come when it's time to lead by example. Ford wants their hourly workers to work for the same pay and benefits as those dictated by the bankrupt GM and Government. You have to remember Ford hourly has already given back more than once to help the company. Our Government has told GM's CEO and top officials what an acceptable salary and bonus will be. Maybe if the Ford CEO and top officials would say we will work under the same scale as GM's top officials the hourly would feel like giving a little more also. Do you remember during the hearings and one of the congress asking Ford's Alan Mulally if he would be willing to work for a dollar same as they ask of GM's Wagner and Chrysler's Nardelli. Alan Mulally's answer was "no I think I'm good". Had Alan agreed to less pay and bonus today's third quarter report might have been over a Billion dollars instead of just under.
My take on this would be that IF Ford had not hired Mulally (who had no auto experience) they probably would be where GM/Fiat are now so I think whatever he is paid is a good deal for the stockholders of Ford--
This guy had the vision to look outside the office walls at what was happening and be pro-active early and get ready for the economic meltdown before it hit. I for one think he is earning his pay!
If he had that vision he could now be several billion dollars richer as it seems no one else saw it coming. I think it was just luck that Ford was running low on dollars before GM and Chrysler, forcing Ford to make the move to secure loans early.
I am a Ford retiree, have worked both sides of the fence, hourly and salary also a Ford stockholder. IMHO when Bill Ford finally knew he was in over his head and took on Mulally was the best move he ever made and will give him credit for that. Mulally is good, he proved that at Boeing. But had Ford gone bankrupt and Mulally's pay had been decreased he would have left. He in no way has the same stake in Ford that many of the hourly and lower salary workers have. Mulally could care less if the folks both hourly and salary on the factory floor have enough money to eat or have insurance. He also proved that at Boeing.
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