WTTCS
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Dodgeboy............."BTW nether of you have told me why it’s OK for upper management to work with a contract and get EVERY DIME they can but not the working man on the line. Funny you never will be able to explain that one will you"
Perhaps if you understood the difference between being hired to run/supervise and or manage a business, in place of working there, you might have the answer to your question.
I know the difference in management and workers. You seem to think that the worker should set the pay rules, instead of the owners/management. Study the history of the ant, not everyone can be the queen.
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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WTTC’S I agree with you 100% we get paid very good money for what we do and you should go to work and do your job period! However, there are some that do not subscribe to that way of thinking. Some feel that they should be given something so nothing, some feel they are owed hell some even feel that if you do not give them a free ride then you are discriminating against them. Me when I get called back to the plant I go in and do my job to the very best of my ability, that is all I can do.
I was asked why I needed a Union, the first time I needed them was when my supervisor told me to disconnect a safety switch and go inside a weld both to adjust the stop on the robot. I told him NO, then he told me if I did not he would walk me out, I said call the Union out and he dropped it. Latter in the week he started to mess with me until it got to the point I said something I should have never said. Well an hour later, the Skilled Trades Committeeman shows up and tells me I have to have a meeting with HR and they want to fire me for insubordination. By time it was all said and done I had the Area Manager and Production Supervisor both in support of ME not my Supervisor and he ended up having to apologize and yes I did also even though I was not told to.
“But discussing it with you is fun and educational and I hold no hard feelings toward your attitude, even though we do disagree. And I promise to open minded on your views if you will do the same.”
I agree and no it is not just a management issue both side have to take blame, Management for letting it get this far and the Union/Workers for not doing what they should do. Again, the Union has to represent the slugs even when we do not like to. It is a damn if you do and damn if you don’t job. There were times that I would have to open up the contract book and point out to a Supervisor what he needed to do before we had our meeting. You might be surprised just how often that happens.
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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WTTCS wrote:Dodgeboy............."BTW nether of you have told me why it’s OK for upper management to work with a contract and get EVERY DIME they can but not the working man on the line. Funny you never will be able to explain that one will you"
Perhaps if you understood the difference between being hired to run/supervise and or manage a business, in place of working there, you might have the answer to your question.
I know the difference in management and workers. You seem to think that the worker should set the pay rules, instead of the owners/management. Study the history of the ant, not everyone can be the queen.
You are right, however we are not ant's and if you can't or won't share the wealth then you are not going to have happy workers. BTW here's something that will blow your mind.................I think I'm WAY OVER PAID for what I do!  I have said this many times!
My wife makes just over $22.00 PH without benefits (the Docs make between 350K and 1.3 mil) and she has a four year degree! Me I'm just one notch above pond scum or that is what our plant manager thinks of us Tool Makers!
Don
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CliffordG
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:Let me spell it out for you, the lazy slug supervisors would rather site in their office in the nice cool AC then do their job.
If the guys on the line who get paid $48 an hour would just do the job that they're being (over)paid for then they wouldn't need supervisors!
Seriously. If you're clocking $30+ an hour doing a job I could a train 14 year old to handle you should shut the heck up, do the job, and PRAY that no one notices you're drastically overpaid for what you do.
I tire of the union rantings. They vote Democrat and then wonder why NAFTA is taking away their jobs. They talk about how they protect workers rights but the Teamsters were USELESS when my Dad needed them after 28 years membership to the hall and a good chunk of that as the Union Steward.
Growing up in a Union household taught me what I needed to know about Unions and their value today.
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mowermech
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travelnutz wrote:mowermech,
The simple answer to your spelling/grammatical issues are that when conversing with lessor educated individuals, I had learned many years ago to communicate at their level so they can understand. Using higher education terms such as: modulus of elasticity, finite element analysis, stress riser propagation, etc will fall on empty ears of non-comprehension. The bulk of the members on nearly any public forum are the average educated level individuals. Why not speak at a level they can understand? Read carefully Perryburg Dodgeboy's 3:58pm post and maybe you'll understand as perhaps it's the best he can muster.
No, sorry, I don't buy it. Oh, to a certain extent you may be right, but your examples are so far out that they are not applicable. You simply can't defend sloppiness in normal conversation with highly technical terms. Sure, as a moderately well trained helicopter mechanic, I could use some terms that many would have no idea about, such as coriolus forces, gyroscopic precession, rotor blade lead and lag, and the proper torque for the jesus nut, but why would I? They just are not terms that would be used in day to day conversation. Who was it who said "Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do!"?
There is simply no excuse for not proof-reading!
By the way, thank you very much for helping to prove my point about those who purport to be highly educated. If you Google "lessor" you will find that it is the owner of a property who rents it to another. I don't think that is the word you wanted to use. Such misuse of words does not reinforce your claim to higher education!
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travelnutz
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mowermech,
This is not a helicopter/aeronautical forum! It's an RV and towing etc forum. The terms I exampled have everything to do with the RV's, tow vehicles, etc, and this forum directly. Yes, I do make typo's as I'm merely human like the others and as I participate on 5 different forums presently, I admittedly get in a hurry. I'd gladly use my "spellcheck" if it would only work but hasn't for over 2 years now. Never had anyone else on the other forums complain about not having used the Kings English or having a few typo's occur. Sorry if it bothers you....
Granted, there are some members who grossly error in their spelling, punctuation, and word usage. Perhaps, they are doing the best they can and I can accept that. It's the message that counts! I'm big enough to overlook the errors and decipher the meaning the members are attempting to portray. Are you big enough?
To each his own!!!!
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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Well Nutz's I have to say the use of your higher education terms such as: "modulus of elasticity, finite element analysis, stress riser propagation" would have a place here in a towing Forum as they are used in Metallurgy and deal with Mechanical Testing of materials, correct? This information is used in material selection, be it any material along with fractography and failure analysis.
I may not be an Engineer but I did stay in a Holiday Inn once!
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travelnutz wrote:mowermech,
This is not a helicopter/aeronautical forum! It's an RV and towing etc forum. The terms I exampled have everything to do with the RV's, tow vehicles, etc, and this forum directly. Yes, I do make typo's as I'm merely human like the others and as I participate on 5 different forums presently, I admittedly get in a hurry. I'd gladly use my "spellcheck" if it would only work but hasn't for over 2 years now. Never had anyone else on the other forums complain about not having used the Kings English or having a few typo's occur. Sorry if it bothers you....
Granted, there are some members who grossly error in their spelling, punctuation, and word usage. Perhaps, they are doing the best they can and I can accept that. It's the message that counts! I'm big enough to overlook the errors and decipher the meaning the members are attempting to portray. Are you big enough?
To each his own!!!!
You miss the point entirely. My point was the misuse of highly technical terms where they are not required.
Spellcheck does not help for misused words such as "lessor". Us folks with the lesser education know that.
Yes, It certainly IS the message that counts, and yes, I am "big enough" to overlook errors. Usually. However, when somebody spouts off about their superior education, and how much us lesser educated folks could/should learn from them, THEN I really start looking for THEIR errors, and I just MIGHT enjoy pointing them out so the fine examples of higher education can learn a little, too.
Even us poor, lesser educated folks can teach sometimes.
But then, if you hold an advanced degree, you shouldn't need any more teaching, should you?
For example, "grossly error". Shouldn't that be "grossly err"?
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Well it seems the spelling police have hijacked the thread--
I only have grade 12, but have never been unemployed since 17 yrs old. I know that I make errors on here, I see where others make errors. Some are BAD, some are funny, but as long as I can get their meaning I am OK with it.
Unfortunatly this thread had really gotten off track!!
I have stated a couple times what I felt happened to cause the union voters to reject the offer that their leadership put together with Ford and very few have agreed, disagreed or even commented?
I feel the leaders NEVER took the time to make sure the people who would vote on the issue UNDERSTOOD the offer? So a few "slugs" as Dodgeboy coined them rallyed the guys to vote NO.
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Yeah this is off topic, but at least to a degree, all of you that are disagreeing, are at least understanding to a point of where the other is coming from.......
I've let this go on for a few days, was thinking as I got up this morning, it would be time to close this thing down. You all have had your fun. I am sure I could have closed this WAY sooner per some forum rule etc etc......so with that....
Have a good day all!
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