TechWriter

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dav5942 wrote: In my view the product that requires the least amount of time spent in repair(dealer or manufacturer) would have the best "build quality". Based on that it may be a ten way tie as most all RVs have issues(and many of those in the top five have crowded factory repair centers)!
In the absence of data, "quality" is certainly in the eye of the beholder.
So here's some data: I looked up NHTSA recall data from 2000 to 2005 on a number of RV brands. Then I put these recalls into 3 categories:
- Part recall: a bad part, like the Samsung microwave recall, or a defective Norcold fridge. It's the part's fault, nothing the manufacturer did except to use the part.
- Poor Workmanship recall: a recall caused by poor design and/or manufacture. Here are some examples of recalls I classified as "poor workmanship": incorrect tire pressure labels, bad welds, locating generator exhaust so that carbon monoxide could get under a slideout, LP gas hose routed so it could be severed, etc., etc. Some of these were definitely judgement calls.
-- Other: recalls I couldn't figure out.
Here were my results:
PERCENTAGE OF RECALLS DUE TO POOR WORKMANSHIP:
1. Holiday Rambler (71.1%)
2. Fleetwood (70.1%)
3. National RV (69.2%)
4. Monaco (65.2%)
5. Winnebago (60.2%)
6. Blue Bird (48.3%)
7. Country Coach (47.5%)
8. Damon (40%)
9. Newmar (28%)
10. Tiffin (8%)
These results are several years old and it's been awhile since I've looked at the NHTSA recalls. Try your own search.
Tom
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Mr.Mark

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After watching most of the lists here, I see Foretravel hit the top on several posts. Honestly, I didn't know if they were still in business or not. So, I pulled up their website and 'wowsie', they have some very nice coaches and even offer a mid-entry door model.
I was a little surprised that some of their nice coaches only have 2 slides and the MSRP is very north of $400K and even a $743K MSRP coach only had 3 slides with only one slide in the living area. The Nimbus CE models are in the $700K plus MSRP and the Phenix Custom can be over $1M MSRP. So, a used version of a Foretravel would seem be a good value.
One thing I found odd, is that on some models, the compartment doors open sideways where it will cover the door next to it. Like where a bus door will swing upwards and hug the side of the coach, the compartment door swings out sideways in front of the compartment door next it.
The plus would be if you are in a tight area you can get into your compartments if needed.
I learn something everyday...MM.
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topflite51

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Given the market, he should find a lot of everything for under 70K.
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RayChez

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Well I had a Coachman 2002 Aurora which was the top of the line in the gasoline Coachmans and they are not built better then a GulfStream. Sorry!
On crosswinds I thought I was going to get blown off the road and the ride was rough because of the leaf springs front and back. No comparison to the air ride Neway Freightliner chassis I have on the Gulfstream Scenic Cruiser. So you know what I think about your ratings.
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RayChez

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Mr.Mark wrote: After watching most of the lists here, I see Foretravel hit the top on several posts. Honestly, I didn't know if they were still in business or not. So, I pulled up their website and 'wowsie', they have some very nice coaches and even offer a mid-entry door model.
I was a little surprised that some of their nice coaches only have 2 slides and the MSRP is very north of $400K and even a $743K MSRP coach only had 3 slides with only one slide in the living area. The Nimbus CE models are in the $700K plus MSRP and the Phenix Custom can be over $1M MSRP. So, a used version of a Foretravel would seem be a good value.
One thing I found odd, is that on some models, the compartment doors open sideways where it will cover the door next to it. Like where a bus door will swing upwards and hug the side of the coach, the compartment door swings out sideways in front of the compartment door next it.
The plus would be if you are in a tight area you can get into your compartments if needed.
I learn something everyday...MM.
Buses do not have slides and that is why you can pull the door upwards. A motorhome with slides has to have the doors open sideways because of the slides.
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Sully2

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Mr.Mark wrote:
I was a little surprised that some of their nice coaches only have 2 slides and the MSRP is very north of $400K and even a $743K MSRP coach only had 3 slides with only one slide in the living area. The Nimbus CE models are in the $700K plus MSRP and the Phenix Custom can be over $1M MSRP. So, a used version of a Foretravel would seem be a good value.
Personally I wouldnt own a coach that had more than 2..regardless of the price
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dezertcamper

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I think these list are quite flawed as your not comparing apples to apples. If you want to know quality between brands you have to set a base line price. It's hard to compare coaches that have a new MRP of $250K plus to a coach that has a MRP of $125K. Because I would expect a $250K coach to be better then a $125K coach. If they were not then the manufacture that is over charging for their product will be gone like so many we have seen.
So if you really want to know the opinions of these coaches and the quality you will need to set a price limit and start comparing brands and models that are in that range.
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RayChez

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TechWriter wrote: dav5942 wrote: In my view the product that requires the least amount of time spent in repair(dealer or manufacturer) would have the best "build quality". Based on that it may be a ten way tie as most all RVs have issues(and many of those in the top five have crowded factory repair centers)!
In the absence of data, "quality" is certainly in the eye of the beholder.
So here's some data: I looked up NHTSA recall data from 2000 to 2005 on a number of RV brands. Then I put these recalls into 3 categories:
- Part recall: a bad part, like the Samsung microwave recall, or a defective Norcold fridge. It's the part's fault, nothing the manufacturer did except to use the part.
- Poor Workmanship recall: a recall caused by poor design and/or manufacture. Here are some examples of recalls I classified as "poor workmanship": incorrect tire pressure labels, bad welds, locating generator exhaust so that carbon monoxide could get under a slideout, LP gas hose routed so it could be severed, etc., etc. Some of these were definitely judgement calls.
-- Other: recalls I couldn't figure out.
Here were my results:
PERCENTAGE OF RECALLS DUE TO POOR WORKMANSHIP:
1. Holiday Rambler (71.1%)
2. Fleetwood (70.1%)
3. National RV (69.2%)
4. Monaco (65.2%)
5. Winnebago (60.2%)
6. Blue Bird (48.3%)
7. Country Coach (47.5%)
8. Damon (40%)
9. Newmar (28%)
10. Tiffin (8%)
These results are several years old and it's been awhile since I've looked at the NHTSA recalls. Try your own search.
This is the best information I have seen in this forum pertaining to quality and workmanship on various coaches. Now this makes sense to me and not all this biase BS put out by some of the regulars in this forum.
Also RVers should read this months FMCA magazine about Roadmaster R4R and RR4R chassis safety update. I have seen so many posts here in this forum about how good Roadmaster chassis were. Well it seems like the rear trailing arms are cracking and breaking off under the stress of a poorly design. The arms need to be replaced as soon as posible to avoid having an accident. These chassis were used on certain model year 2002 through 2009 Monaco, Holiday Rambler, Safari and Beaver motorhomes.
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RayChez

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dezertcamper wrote: I think these list are quite flawed as your not comparing apples to apples. If you want to know quality between brands you have to set a base line price. It's hard to compare coaches that have a new MRP of $250K plus to a coach that has a MRP of $125K. Because I would expect a $250K coach to be better then a $125K coach. If they were not then the manufacture that is over charging for their product will be gone like so many we have seen.
So if you really want to know the opinions of these coaches and the quality you will need to set a price limit and start comparing brands and models that are in that range.
dezertcamper makes a lot of sense to me also. You can't compare a 700K dollar coach with a 200K dollar coach. Compare the same price range, then you might make some sense out of this thread.
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UltimaRV

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The stats are fine, but compare an older $70-thou Bluebird or Country Coach with higher recall stats to an almost new $70-thou Damon with lower manufacturer recall stats. Now where's the quality?
Dian, Robert & Precious - Presently RV'ing in Europe!
2000 45' Featherlite Vogue 5000, tag, slide, Detroit Series 60
2006 19' Towcorp enclosed trailer w/60" tongue
2004 13' Ultima GTR (9.9 seconds standing quarter mile)
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