MARCH 2020
Troubled Power Stroke

Red letter QWe have a 2008 Ford F-350 6.4-liter truck that our local dealer has been fighting with a problem on for the past two years to no avail. We pull a nearly 43-foot Dutchmen Voltage 3800 toy hauler. The truck pulls fine on flat roads, but the minute we hit an incline, it goes into Limp Home Mode (LMH). The service technicians have had the cab off three times, changed the fuel pump three times, fuel rails once, throttle cable once and all the filters twice.

Just before going into LMH, the Clean Filter light comes on. The light eventually goes out after several miles of driving. If I pull over and shut the motor off and restart it, it runs fine until the next hill. It took us five hours to drive from Lake Havasu City, Arizona, to Flagstaff, which is typically a three-hour drive.

The dealership has given up on fixing the truck and won’t touch it anymore. I spoke with a mechanic who works on motorhome diesels, and he told me to remove all the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) equipment and put on a 4-inch exhaust with a chip. He said if I do that I will never have this problem again and will gain horsepower and torque.
Bryan Chinarian

Green letter AWithout diagnostic trouble codes (DTC), it’s difficult to diagnose issues with our more modern diesel trucks. Kenneth Tripp, owner of Tripp Trucks in Rock Hill, South Carolina, says: “It’s certainly possible Mr. Chinarian’s Super Duty has a DPF-related issue, but I lean more toward a fuel issue. Still, at the end of the day, we can’t make any technical opinions without codes. The 6.4-liter, like all of the more modern engines, is very quick to set fault codes. It sounds like he needs to find another dealership or repair shop to take it to. Just because the truck’s been taken to a dealership doesn’t mean they are qualified.”

As for the motorhome mechanic’s advice on deleting the EGR system entirely, many 6.0/6.4-liter owners have done it. However, to keep your F-350 Super Duty compliant with federal emissions laws, you can’t legally do an “EGR delete,” which removes all of the components related to cooling and cleaning the exhaust once it leaves the 6.4-liter’s compound turbo — and those 2008 to 2010 6.4-liter diesels have multiple emissions components. All problematic.

In addition to the EGR, which flows the exhaust gases through two EGR coolers and an EGR valve and back into the intake, the 6.4-liter has a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC) in the exhaust downpipe from the turbo before it flows into the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter). If any one of those parts can’t operate properly from being plugged with diesel exhaust particulates (soot), which they eventually will do, the engine will go it into LMH.

When EGR coolers get plugged, they will not flow the exhaust gases properly, which eventually causes the engine to overheat when pulling grades with a trailer in tow. An overly hot engine leads to it going into LMH to protect itself. The main culprit in the exhaust itself is plugging of the DPF. The engine’s computer system monitors the inlet pressure and outlet pressure of the DPF as a means of monitoring this soot buildup. When the differential of inflow and outflow reaches a predetermined value, the computer initiates a “regeneration,” which is a fancy word for burning out the soot in the DPF.

During a regen, the light on the dash goes on, and the engine dumps raw diesel into the exhaust stream, which ignites and, in theory, burns off all the soot clogging the DPF. In reality, not all that soot is cleaned out, and the DPF eventually needs to be replaced — or removed.

A replacement aftermarket DPF, from XDP, for instance, costs around $1,900; a replacement DOC runs about $900. Replacing the two OEM EGR coolers (one horizontal, one vertical) with a Sinister Diesel EGR cooler kit is around $1,100. Those should cure your 6.4-liter’s LHM ills related to the exhaust and emissions issues while keeping the truck compliant with emissions laws.

Bottom line: Go to a dealership that knows how to pull the DTCs, and then use those codes to track the source of your 6.4-liter’s troubles before throwing more money at it.

2500HD Pulling Power

Red letter QCan a 2020 2500HD-series truck with a 3.42:1 rear end easily pull a 10,500-pound fifth-wheel?
Jose and Barbara Hermosillo

Green letter ARest easy. The OEM 3.42:1 rear-axle ratio on a 2020 diesel pickup will perform admirably, whether it’s towing a trailer that weighs 10,500 pounds or the max towing capacity that particular 2500HD is rated to tow. The days of optional axle ratios will soon be gone, just like cigarette lighters and ashtrays.

The torque and overall ride and handling of today’s HD pickups are incredible compared to the same trucks that were built even a few years back. Torque is what gets a load moving and keeps it moving. The combination of our most modern light-duty diesel engines with eight- and 10-speed transmissions that transfer that torque to the differentials has really changed how we think about axle ratios.

Just a few years back, RVers would spec out their tow vehicle with lower (numerically higher) axle ratios to replace the OEM 3.42 and 3.55 ratios that were often the stock axle gearing. It was common to select 3.73:1, 3.92:1 or, when really heavy trailers were being towed, 4.10:1 rear-axle ratios. Those ratios were adequate for the power the engines were producing at the time and the four-, five- and six-speed automatics paired with them.

Now we have new automatics with twice the gear-ratio range of older versions, with engines producing more than a 1,000 lbs-ft of torque and more than 450 horsepower. That combination virtually does away with the need for today’s pickup buyers worrying about what axle ratio best suits their towing needs. The transmission’s wide range of internal ratios takes care of all that.

Dark colored heavy duty pickup towing a Keystone fifth-wheel trailer
The newest diesel pickups have eight- and 10-speed automatics that provide deep first and second gears, almost eliminating the need for buyers to choose alternate axle ratios when the engines are making more than 1,000 lbs-ft of torque and north of 400 horsepower. Photo: General Motors

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Bruce W. SmithA respected automotive and RV journalist and longtime Trailer Life contributor, Bruce W. Smith has held numerous editorial titles at automotive and boating magazines, and authored more than 1,000 articles, from tech to trailering. He considers his home state of Oregon a paradise for RVing and outdoor adventure.


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7 COMMENTS

  1. The first attempts Ford made at building its own diesel engine were total failures. Both the 6.0L and 6.4L were Ford’s learning curve and should be bulletproofed by a competent shop, which includes deleting and replacing many engine components. This is the only way to keep either of these engines, as the problems will continue to suck your bank account dry.

    • Actually, the Ford 6.0L and 6.4L were the last engines built and supplied by International. The 2011 6.7L Ford-built engine was a huge step forward.

  2. Bob, I had heard both of these engines in the first couple years had significant problems. However, I had understood these were Navistar-designed engines, and Ford actually filed a lawsuit against Navistar for the 6.0L, and then Ford decided to part ways after problems again with the 6.4L. The 6.7L was the first Ford-designed engine. I have also heard from some folks that have these trucks and they had removed the EGR and made some other changes and have had good luck since. However, I don’t know about folks in areas which may need to retain emissions equipment.

  3. I was concerned about the 3.42 axle ratio on my 2020 GMC Denali Duramax for pulling our 40-foot Cedar Creek Touring Edition, grossing about 24,000 pounds. An early winter 10,000-kilometer tour proved my concerns unfounded as the truck did everything with ease. I’ve been pulling goosenecks and fifth-wheels for 50 years as well as having heavy trucks so have lots experience specing truck and trailer combinations.

  4. I had a similar problem with my F-250 2004 6.0L. Took it to the Ford dealership time after time. They continued to throw parts at it. I threw in the towel and went to my computer and stated the problem. Several owners were having the same problem. The advice of one mechanic was you never change the EGR valve or system without cleaning the turbo fan (seems like the first thing that they would have done). I scheduled it for repair and told them I just wanted the turbo fans cleaned. It’s been three years service-free. Just a simple suggestion.

  5. We ran into the same problem with our 2008 Super Duty 6.4L. It only became a problem after a visit to the dealer that performed an update to the operating system in the ECM. After many complaints and some research, we found that Ford changed the program to protect the engine under warranty to shut down under certain heavy-load conditions. An aftermarket tuner plugged in under the dash corrected the issue in minutes when run in tow mode.

  6. Have a 2010 6.4L w/99K miles. Lost power pulling my 13K toy hauler (like it was starved for fuel). Well-reviewed shop in Henderson worked on it for three weeks. Replaced turbo twice, then new EGR, boiled out(?) DOC exhaust and replaced high-pressure fuel pump. Cab came off three times! Still same issue. We limped home, 1,100 miles. On hills we were down to 10 mph and sputtering. Took to small shop in Spokane, explained issues, they were unsure but took it to another mechanic. He suggested replacing a certain exhaust sensor. Problem solved! The sensor showed excessive heat but not high enough to throw a code, but enough to shut down fuel when under a load. In the end our total cost for repairs, rental, etc. was just south of $10K. No doubt the engine is better with new parts, but I wonder if any were needed other than the sensor. Have zero faith in PU now, but w/COVID not sure now is a good time to buy new. Expensive lesson and definitely soured us on Ford, justified or not.

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